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Similar high-speed rail projects around the world have faced substantial cost overruns in development.
This is a weasel statement if there ever was one.

I don't think there is any type of construction project for which you cannot find examples of cost overruns. Or military spending projects for that matter. Or any type of investment, be it public or private.
 
My point wasn't that eminent domain isn't impossible in Texas, it's that if they do it, they have a cultural norm to pay the property owner the fair market price. There might well be cases of corruption where the property owner gets the shaft, but those are violating the cultural norms that the locals strongly care about.
It’s not a cultural norm, it’s the US Constitution. All states pay fair market value, and as practical matter, usually more because the litigation can be very favorable to property owners. I suspect Texas law mirrors the laws of other states. Interestingly, in most states, transportation improvements have a faster timeline and are more lenient on the condemner. This is to not hold up highway projects with challenges. Usually the only permissible issue in transportation cases is the amount of compensation. This isn’t legal advice, but I practiced in this area of law for many years. It’s an interesting area. Good plaintiff’s attorneys can make a lot of money.
 
An interesting report from Reuters:
https://www.reuters.com/business/au...sources-say-2024-04-09/?utm_source=reddit.com
TOKYO/WASHINGTON, April 9 (Reuters) - President Joe Biden is seeking to revive interest in a plan to build the first high-speed rail in the U. S. using Japanese bullet trains, with sources saying he is likely to discuss the project with Japan's prime minister in Washington this week.
The leaders may publicly voice support for the multi-billion-dollar Texas project after Wednesday's talks, which have been partly overshadowed by U.S. opposition to another Japanese investment, Nippon Steel's planned purchase of U.S. Steel.

Prime Minister Fumio Kishida's state visit to Washington, the first by a Japanese leader in nine years, aims to showcase closer security and economic ties between the allies.
The project linking Dallas and Houston will be on the agenda for the talks, said three sources familiar with summit preparations, who sought anonymity as they were not allowed to speak to the media.
It is likely to be mentioned in joint statements following the talks, two of the sources said.
 
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IMO it will take 8 years to complete this project if by Amtrak. That will be a problem as the construction will go thru at least 3 national US president terms & 6 congress. However, Amtrak building the HSR will have some benefits.
1. Still build the planned NNW Houston station on the outskirts.
2. Make a station in downtown Houston preferably one that connects with Houston light rail. If not feasible at least use the present Amtrak station location and get Houston to build a light rail spur to the station with large percentage of FTA funds.
3. Use the present DAL Amtrak station but elevate it over present light rail and the TRE tracks.
4. With the elevated track restore the station's 2nd floor waiting area for a proper ticketing and baggage area on 1st floor.
5. Amtrak will need the AX-4s to be able to ferry behind regular Amtrak trains for major work. maybe at location on NEC.
6. Texas will not be able to stop any eminent domain actions by Amtrak.
 
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I am not sure if it would be possible to get a new railroad anywhere near to Houston downtown without either extremely costly eminent domain of huge numbers of properties or sharing tracks with an unwilling freight railroad.
 
I mean, presuming they can get the money together for the line (a big presumption), at least we're at a point that they could just order another batch of either Acela IIs or...whatever it is Brightline is going to use out in CA/NV.
 
Amtrak appears to be sticking with TC's commitment to Japanese Shinkansen technology. It will be interesting to see how they deal with Buy America requirements, which TC never committed to. American-built Shinkansen trains!?
 
Well, there goes Texas HSR.
And yet it was doing so well before. :rolleyes:

All signs point to the original private funding plan being crushed under the weight of NIMBY activism, prolonged legal battles, flip-flopping politicians, supply chain hurtles, and spiraling exchange rates. I'm no fan of Amtrak pricing and service standards but if that's what it takes to make this happen then so be it.
 
And yet it was doing so well before. :rolleyes:

All signs point to the original private funding plan being crushed under the weight of NIMBY activism, prolonged legal battles, flip-flopping politicians, supply chain hurtles, and spiraling exchange rates. I'm no fan of Amtrak pricing and service standards but if that's what it takes to make this happen then so be it.
I mean, those "spiraling" exchange rates should help. A dollar buys almost 50% more JPY than it used to, so an American operation would be getting a big discount on the equipment...
 
All signs point to the original private funding plan being crushed under the weight of NIMBY activism, prolonged legal battles, flip-flopping politicians, supply chain hurtles, and spiraling exchange rates. I'm no fan of Amtrak pricing and service standards but if that's what it takes to make this happen then so be it.
The cynic in me says Amtrak may be good at the operating side of running a railroad, but doesn't have much of a track record when it comes to delivering major projects from scratch or pushing for service expansion. Such projects tend to take forever, and Amtrak, being directly answerable to Congress, means there is a permanently open door inviting micromanagement and all sorts of calls for gold plating and political pandering, that more often than not result in nothing happening at all.

I don't think Brightline would be the right choice either as they are already have rather too many projects on their plate. But my feeling is, if they can pull such projects off, so can others.
 
I mean, those "spiraling" exchange rates should help. A dollar buys almost 50% more JPY than it used to, so an American operation would be getting a big discount on the equipment...
Exchange rates that move 50% are a warning that one market is under severe economic stress relative to the other. They are not conducive to international cooperation on major infrastructure projects with long lead times. Initial funding was coming from Yen based sources such as the Japan Overseas Infrastructure Investment Corporation for Transportation & Urban Development and the Japan Bank for International Cooperation.

Such projects tend to take forever, and Amtrak, being directly answerable to Congress, means there is an open door for micromanagement and all sorts of calls for gold plating and political pandering, that more often than not result in nothing happening at all.
It takes forever because wealthy land owners are able to stall and starve major public transportion projects with endless legal battles.

I don't think Brightline would be the right choice either as they are already have rather too many projects on their plate. But my feeling is, if they can pull such projects off, so can others.
If anybody was willing and able they had a full decade to speak out and sign up so what stopped them? Since no white knight savior ever arrived maybe it's time that we accept what we can see with our own eyes instead of clinging to endless hypotheticals. In order for a company like Brightline to succeed they need a state government that is staunchly supportive of the project rather than one that turns completely against it to placate the NIMBY's.
 
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Amtrak appears to be sticking with TC's commitment to Japanese Shinkansen technology. It will be interesting to see how they deal with Buy America requirements, which TC never committed to. American-built Shinkansen trains!?
Railcar and bus manufacturers sometimes “work around” this by building an “assembly plant”, that takes an imported carbody and adds paint, handrails, sometimes wheelsets, etc, and affixes a US builder’s plate. It varies between regulatory requirements…sometimes more extensive, sometimes less…
 
Railcar and bus manufacturers sometimes “work around” this by building an “assembly plant”, that takes an imported carbody and adds paint, handrails, sometimes wheelsets, etc, and affixes a US builder’s plate. It varies between regulatory requirements…sometimes more extensive, sometimes less…
I understand local manufacturing is defined not by how or where stuff is assembled, but by the percentage of the total value that is created locally. This can mean that some of the sub-suppliers need to be local as well. Preferably the high value ones. Assembly is only a small part of the total value chain.

But as you say, it comes down to the small print in the legislation, on which I am no expert.
 
It takes forever because wealthy land owners are able to stall and starve major public transportion projects with endless legal battles.
And Brightline didn't have that problem because they are a spin-off from an existing railroad and owned nearly all of the right of way, except for the short stretch into the Orlando airport, which runs in the median of an existing highway. Brightline West is also mostly running in the median of an existing highway, and also through the desert, where the property owners might not care as much as farmers, rancher, and developers do in Texas.

Perhaps what they need to do in Texas is what Disney did in Florida when they assembled the land for Walt Disney World. They apparently had agents who didn't identify as being from Disney buy the land in bits and pieces and didn't announce their plans for a major tourist destination until they actually owned all of the land in one bigh package.
 
And Brightline didn't have that problem because they are a spin-off from an existing railroad and owned nearly all of the right of way, except for the short stretch into the Orlando airport, which runs in the median of an existing highway. Brightline West is also mostly running in the median of an existing highway, and also through the desert, where the property owners might not care as much as farmers, rancher, and developers do in Texas.
I believe Brightline East did have problems with NIMBY's and other antirail types, but not as extreme as found in rural Texas, and because the people running the state government in Florida were supportive of the plan there were viable options for finding a reasonable compromise.

Perhaps what they need to do in Texas is what Disney did in Florida when they assembled the land for Walt Disney World. They apparently had agents who didn't identify as being from Disney buy the land in bits and pieces and didn't announce their plans for a major tourist destination until they actually owned all of the land in one bigh package.
Ironically Disney World is perhaps the clearest and most obvious example of what can be done when you have the state government fully on your side. If Florida had turned on Disney at the stage that Texas turned on the HSR project it's reasonably conceivable there would be no theme parks in Florida.
 
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Ironically Disney World is perhaps the clearest and most obvious example of what can be done when you have the state government fully on your side. If Florida had turned on Disney at the stage that Texas turned on the HSR project it's reasonably conceivable there would be no theme parks in Florida.
What I read about what happened was that Disney secretly bought up all the swampland and orange groves that are now Disney World, and then went to the state and extracted from them the Reedy Creek Improvement District that was more or less like a feudal land grant. As you point out, the political leadership in Florida was supportive of this approach, as they appreciated the potential "economic development" in this area. Not sure what the local residents though about the prospect. One the one hand, anybody that owned property in the area stood to make big bucks as a result of the "economic development," but there was also the prospect of traffic congestion and urbanization to consider. Of course, history shows that if there NIMBYs about Disney World, they were totally ineffective. The main point of Disney secretly buying the land was that if property owner knew what they were planning and who they were dealing with, they'd ask a lot more money for their property.

I'm not sure how this applies to the Texas HSR. If the organizers could buy land from the property owners, and then come to the state of Texas with a fiat accompli of a right of way, would the state government actively block building of the railway? They obviously do transportation projects in Texas; I've driven on enough interstate highways across the state passing through rural areas. What's the nature of the opposition? Is it just ornery landowners who don't want a railway nearby, or leaders in the state government who are ideologically opposed to having any intercity passenger rail in Texas, aside from the Texas Eagle and Sunset Limited? I can see, based on their political ideology, that passenger rail is not a high priority for spending their state and local tax dollars, but I can't imagine that they're opposed on principle to someone else paying for such a service.
 
Perhaps what they need to do in Texas is what Disney did in Florida when they assembled the land for Walt Disney World. They apparently had agents who didn't identify as being from Disney buy the land in bits and pieces and didn't announce their plans for a major tourist destination until they actually owned all of the land in one bigh package.
That train left the station long ago.
 
That train left the station long ago.
That train would start derailed since obtaining linear segments of land for a railroad in farmland is not the same as getting a huge chunk of contagious land from marshland.

A better bet may have been trying to use high tension line alignments to the most extent possible even if it increases mileage a bit. High tension line segments are built on easements that are already taken and tend to be straight as an arrow for long segments. That then leaves only short segments connecting up existing long segments together.

That of course if one cannot strike up deals with the state highway departments for using existing highway alignments wherever possible. Notice that Brightline in Florida, California and Nevada are not out on a Don Quixote mission to acquire segments of farmland. They are busy striking deals with highway departments.
 
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That train would start derailed since obtaining linear segments of land for a railroad in farmland is not the same as getting a huge chunk of contagious land from marshland.

A better bet may have been trying to use high tension line alignments to the most extent possible even if it increases mileage a bit. High tention line segments are built on easements that are already taken and tend to be straight as an arrow for long segments. That then leaves only short segments connecting up existing long segments together.

That of course if one cannot strike up deals with the state highway departments for using existing highway alignments wherever possible. Notice that Brightline in Florida, California and Nevada are not out on a Don Quixote mission to acquire segments of farmland. They are busy striking deals with highway departments.
This is actually a great suggestion for a multi-use corridor.
 
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