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OK, I'm confused about this. I thought the lower level roomettes were the same price as the upper. Why did Rene have to pay more for the upper level roomette? She was on the phone with an agent, so the number of available rooms was the same during the transactions back and forth, so it wouldn't have been different buckets that caused the price difference.
My experience was similar to Rene's. I followed the rates on amsnag, and one day the bucket went down so I called and booked a roomette for my mother and grandmother. When I learned it was on the lower level I asked them to switch it to an upper level room. The agent informed me that this was the only roomette available at that price, and if I switched to the upper level I would be required to pay the difference in price.

As a result, I believed the bucket pricing was tied not only to available rooms, but to which level they are on. Doesn't seem that unreasonable does it?
No, it's not an unreasonable conclusion at all. And in fact many years ago I too believed that a bucket what attached to each room. But then several trusted friends who work/worked for Amtrak debased me of that notion. It's also not tied to what level the room is on either.

For example, last I knew the current booking order for rooms was 2, 3, 4, 11, & 12. After that, I'm not sure where they went next. Now, if for example you were booking the Texas Eagle with only 1 sleeper and there were 4 rooms placed in the low bucket by revenue management. Then rooms 2, 3, 4, & 11 would all go for low bucket. Room #12 however would sell at the next bucket level. If there were 5 rooms in the low bucket, then of course room #12 would also sell at the low bucket price.

There are 5 bucket levels in total. Revenue management (RM) initially picks how many rooms are placed into each bucket. And there is no requirement that each level actually have a number placed into the bucket. In other words, it is possible for RM to put 5 rooms in low bucket, skip the next bucket, put 2 in the mid-level, 5 in the next highest, and the remaining in the highest bucket. Additionally, nothing is set in stone either. RM or the computer can move the quantities of available rooms left around at will as they please. Well the computer of course follows certain rules, but a RM manager can do what they think best. So for example, around Thanksgiving I wouldn't bet on any rooms being placed in the low bucket and a very low number in the next bucket.

All of that said, a regular agent can if they know what they're doing, essentially swap a room for anyone at the same bucket level if they know what they're doing. Upper level, lower level, current bucket level for selling rooms are all irrelevant if the agent knows what to do and how to override things. Another trap that agents fall into is forgetting how to request a specific room. Under normal circumstances, an agent pretty much does what Amtrak.com does when making a reservation, they just request the next available room and ARROW provides the next room based upon the pre-approved order of rooms being sold in the car. And note that with more than 1 sleeper, ARROW also spreads rooms out across the available cars. It doesn't sell all the rooms in the first car, before moving on to the second car.

But agents do have a way to bring up all the available rooms and to pick a specific room within a specific car. The problem is that too many forget how to do this, or think it's too much work, or what ever. So instead what they do is request next available room. If that's the room that the person wanted, great! If not, they hold that room and request the next available room. And they repeat that until they get what the person requested. This method has too problems, first, you start running through all the buckets because you're holding all those rooms open. Second, the RM computer sensing a run on that train starts moving more rooms into higher buckets because it thinks sales are going through the roof and it wants to maximize revenue. It doesn't realize that an agent is causing this issue and when they're done, the agent is going to release all those rooms back into inventory, save the one that they really wanted.

I hope that this helps to explain things a bit. :)
 
If a superliner sleeper with no reservations has 5 rooms in the lowest bucket, then I was under the impression that, while the AUTOMATIC assignment sequence might be 2,3,4,11, 12; the ACTUAL sequence can be anything the agent wishes to manually assign. So, the customer being offered, say, room 11 may indeed request another number -- and the agent should be able to honor that request -- if 3 rooms has so far been reserved and this customer will be getting the fourth room assigned to date in the car.
 
If a superliner sleeper with no reservations has 5 rooms in the lowest bucket, then I was under the impression that, while the AUTOMATIC assignment sequence might be 2,3,4,11, 12; the ACTUAL sequence can be anything the agent wishes to manually assign. So, the customer being offered, say, room 11 may indeed request another number -- and the agent should be able to honor that request -- if 3 rooms has so far been reserved and this customer will be getting the fourth room assigned to date in the car.
That is correct, an agent can pick any room that the customer requests and jump out of the normal sequence. If no rooms have been sold and a customer requests room #10, the agent can book that room at low bucket provided that they know what they're doing. Again, the computer will sell rooms in that order, but no agent is locked into that order provided they know what they're doing.
 
Yes, thanks Alan, for explaining this very thoroughly. It would be better if all agents knew the procedure, though. Without this forum, I would have assumed any agent I reached was giving me an accurate answer. I wouldn't have even considered asking for a supervisor or calling back later.
 
It's too bad there is no really set standard for these room bookings and pricings. I know when I first booked my CZ trip I was assigned a room on the lower level. My experience changing was easy as I called customer service and was given #7 on the upper without any price change or issue.
 
Well other than how many rooms are in each bucket, there are standards for everything else. There is a standard in what order the rooms are sold, order in how to request a specific room, how to transfer rooms, etc. The only real unknown is again how many rooms are in any given bucket at any given moment.

The problem as always is that people don't always remember and/or choose to follow the rules & the training that they were given. So unfortunately you often end up with widely varying experiences.
 
We’ve been back for about a week from our trip on the California Zephyr from Chicago to Emeryville (San Francisco). Thank you all for the tips and advice; they were very helpful. As requested, here’s my follow-up on the trip:

We had no problems at all taking the train from MDW to Union Station and finding the Metropolitan Lounge. Wow, Union Station is beautiful! :) (Metropolitan Lounge, not so much) :( We left our luggage with a porter and had lunch at Blackie’s downtown Chicago and walked around a bit. We found the CVS that one of you suggested, and bought hubby some beer, and some wine for me. :p

Our sleeping car attendant, Pete, visited our roomette shortly after boarding. Pete had zero personality, but he was pleasant and super efficient, so no complaints there. The roomette seemed sufficient until it came to sleeping and changing clothes. I did okay the first night, but the second night, the closed quarters just became a bit too much. With the shades drawn and the door closed, I felt claustrophobic. :mellow: I got up and read for a while in the sightseer lounge, and got off in Salt Lake to stretch my legs. Really, the roomette is not comfortable, just barely sufficient. It’s easier to change clothes in the changing room, instead of the roomette, but that’s not as convenient. I looked at a bedroom, and although still tight, better.

The restrooms, changing room and shower were spotless, no odors, and always in good order. I attribute that to Pete, who I suspect might be a bit OCD. Hubby and I each took only one shower, and Pete was waiting outside both times to make sure it was in order for the next guest. In the sleeping car in front of us, passengers could help themselves to coffee or juice, but Pete preferred to pour it for you, and bring it to you if you were in your room. He caught me pouring coffee to take to the sightseer lounge, and he insisted on finishing up. I think he didn’t want his spotless coffee station messed up. He came by several times a day offering beverages and asking if we needed anything. He was good and hubby tipped him $30.

The food was better than I expected :) . I would not recommend the crab cakes that I ordered one night, or the lamb chops, hubby ordered one night. Totally our fault, we should have known that crab cakes and lamb chops might not be the best choice on a train. Stick to the basics. The desserts were very good. I did not like the assembly-line approach to dining, but I understand the necessity. The dining car staff were pleasant and very efficient. We met some very nice people while dining, but the seating arrangements can also be awkward.

The scenery was breathtaking! We were right on time, or early, at every single stop.

So, would I do the same trip again? Nope. Amtrak misses so many opportunities for excellence, but I understand it is due to funding. It’s a little too much close-humanity for me, if that makes sense. ;) We will consider a bedroom for a trip in the future, but only for one night. Fifty plus hours on a train was too much for us. In the future, we’ll split up the trip.

Again, thank you all for the tips and advice. We’re glad to have had the experience of long-distance train travel!
 
:hi: Glad ya'll enjoyed your Trip and of Course Everyone has their Personal Preferences when it comes to Things! The Idea of Breaking up the Trip is a Good Idea for those that find Long Trips without a Break Bother them! (same thing on 12-18 Hour Flights across the Ocean for me!) Just remember that Bedrooms can be Very Pricey on certain Trains and Days, if you are going to Break up your Trips You'll have to Decide if say, for Example, $300 vs. $1200 is worth it for a Place to Sleep, Keep your Stuff, and have the same Benefits in the Sleeper and Diner! YMMV
 
:hi: Glad ya'll enjoyed your Trip and of Course Everyone has their Personal Preferences when it comes to Things! The Idea of Breaking up the Trip is a Good Idea for those that find Long Trips without a Break Bother them! (same thing on 12-18 Hour Flights across the Ocean for me!) Just remember that Bedrooms can be Very Pricey on certain Trains and Days, if you are going to Break up your Trips You'll have to Decide if say, for Example, $300 vs. $1200 is worth it for a Place to Sleep, Keep your Stuff, and have the same Benefits in the Sleeper and Diner! YMMV
Good point. For me, I think the roomette was about $420, vs. $1200, and since it was a special birthday trip, I should have spent the extra money.
 
Thank you for being one of the few that comes here looking for advise then ACTUALLY REPORTING on your trip!! I am very happy that your enjoyed your trip. I know that each of us here has wildly different expectations to offer - from "It's the best thing you'll ever do" to "I love trains, but Amtrak sucks".

I think, though, that the service seemed to match up to the level of expectation that you garnered from your experience here, so that is very encouraging to the AU community.

I can completely understand why you would not want to do it again. But I'm glad you tried it. I'm glad it wasn't wrought with problems and some of the other experiences that members here can't wait to post about. Most of all, even though you aren't interested in repeating THIS trip, you haven't been turned off completely to Amtrak. The splitting up of routes - though potentially costlier - is still a terrific way to consider seeing more of the country by this once-almost-dead mode.
 
If you take a future trip in a BR, remember that amsnag.net is a great resource for finding the dates with the lowest fares for each kind of accommodation. Fares vary a lot.

Thanks for posting about your trip experiences!
 
Hi Renee, if you plan a future trip in the sleeper, you might consider getting two roomettes, because they are sometimes cheaper than one bedroom. The wifie and I shared a roomette on the Chicago to Denver portion of our honeymoon, but since then have opted for more space. Some others on this forum are fine with 2 adults in a roomette so it's a matter of personal preference. When the kids were young, we traveled in 2 roomettes shared as follows: wife lower daugher upper; me lower, son upper. As everyone (including me, LOL) has grown, we may do less trips but with more space, and have a better time. Now when wifie and I travel Amtrak in 2 roomettes we each have a lower berth, no claustrophobia, and we get the roomettes across from each other so we can see both sides of the scenery in our waking hours. :p

I haven't read the whole post, but if someone hasn't suggested the Amtrak Guest Rewards credit card, that is something good to look into and you can get points for train travel. :)
 
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