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  1. Exvalley

    1.5 billion for Amtrak in stimulus with daily service mandate..

    Fair enough. We can move on.
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    1.5 billion for Amtrak in stimulus with daily service mandate..

    Permit a very simple question. Do you agree or disagree with my earlier statement? The federal "subsidies" that airports get are primarily funded through excise taxes paid by users of the national airspace system. The federal subsidies that benefit Amtrak, on the other hand, are not primarily...
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    1.5 billion for Amtrak in stimulus with daily service mandate..

    No problem. I was going to do my own research. Which airport is it? Also, everyone knows that airports rely on other revenue streams as well. Heck, I mentioned some above. While I could have listed all of those revenue streams in my initial response, I assumed that most people would have...
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    1.5 billion for Amtrak in stimulus with daily service mandate..

    Exactly!!!!!!! My entire point has been that we need to stop being so competitive and playing into the zero sum game fallacy.
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    1.5 billion for Amtrak in stimulus with daily service mandate..

    Well... we have to start looking somewhere. Which is your local airport that you were referring to? Regardless, the pertinent point is that the federal "subsidies" that airports get are primarily funded through excise taxes paid by users of the national airspace system. Please take the time...
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    1.5 billion for Amtrak in stimulus with daily service mandate..

    Which airport is that? Keep in mind that there are numerous other sources of revenue, such as parking, concessions, rental car surcharges, selling advertising space, etc.
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    1.5 billion for Amtrak in stimulus with daily service mandate..

    Except that the bulk of the growth has come in the form of never ending suburbs that have not been designed with public transportation in mind. You want to see rail expand? Get people on zoning boards!
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    1.5 billion for Amtrak in stimulus with daily service mandate..

    The FAA runs air traffic control. Air traffic control is paid for by the Airport and Airway Trust Fund. The Trust Fund is funded principally from a variety of excise taxes paid by users of the national airspace system. The excise taxes are imposed on domestic passenger tickets, domestic flight...
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    1.5 billion for Amtrak in stimulus with daily service mandate..

    This is what I am getting out. Emphasizing the environmental benefits associated with train travel is effective advocacy.
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    1.5 billion for Amtrak in stimulus with daily service mandate..

    Well said. In my opinion, effective advocacy spells out why passenger rail is important to our country moving forward rather than looking the rear view mirror toward a past that cannot be changed. It's not enough to complain that airlines and highways are subsidized. They are subsidized...
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    1.5 billion for Amtrak in stimulus with daily service mandate..

    While I appreciate the creativity of your argument, I will respect what budget analysts and economists say.
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    1.5 billion for Amtrak in stimulus with daily service mandate..

    Well, let's look at cost per trip. A bit dated, but here are some statistics compiled in a report that looked at subsidies between 2002 and 2009. From the report:  Amtrak passengers received $57.04 per trip.  Private sector commercial air passengers received $6.35 per trip.  Mass transit...
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    1.5 billion for Amtrak in stimulus with daily service mandate..

    While I am guilty of referring to old notes, what matters is that the underlying data is correct. Bottom line: The airlines would absolutely drool over the subsidies that Amtrak gets on a per passenger mile basis. I am fine with that. I just get tired of people saying that the airlines make...
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    1.5 billion for Amtrak in stimulus with daily service mandate..

    Americans have always had a love affair with their cars. Unfortunately, our communities are now designed with car travel in mind. We are just too spread out for that to change.
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    1.5 billion for Amtrak in stimulus with daily service mandate..

    Airports and highway systems don't provide a public service? You are also slipping back into the, "We should get exactly what they get!" mentality. The problem with that argument is that the public does not want everything to be exactly even. Whether we like it or not on this forum, the...
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