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I do not sleep well in coach, and thus no longer overnight in coach. As was said, a lot may depend on your seat mate.
Absolutely true. The last time I overnighted in coach, my seat mate was a young woman, a college student, and she kept sliding over and resting her head on my shoulder. I didn't mind that too much but when she awoke and realized she was cuddling up to a strange old man she recoiled in dismay and blamed me for the situation. Sheesh. Also, I am now 82 and quite incapable of sleeping sitting up, let alone with a stranger.
 
Not true that the diner is for sleeping car passengers only. Amtrak has now opened up long distance diners to coach passengers. That said, seating priority still goes to sleeper passengers but, in my recent trip on the Zephyr and Sunset Limited announcements were made inviting coach passengers in for service. Meals are a bit pricey so many/most coach passengers purchased meal items in the lounge car cafe.
 
Not true that the diner is for sleeping car passengers only. Amtrak has now opened up long distance diners to coach passengers. That said, seating priority still goes to sleeper passengers but, in my recent trip on the Zephyr and Sunset Limited announcements were made inviting coach passengers in for service. Meals are a bit pricey so many/most coach passengers purchased meal items in the lounge car cafe.
On Western trains only.
 
The last time I overnighted in coach, my seat mate was a young woman, a college student, and she kept sliding over and resting her head on my shoulder. I didn't mind that too much but when she awoke and realized she was cuddling up to a strange old man she recoiled in dismay and blamed me for the situation.
When this happens to me I jerk my shoulder to wake them up or get up and leave. These days it's easier for a guy to defend rudeness than explain kindness or indifference. It's absurd to me that Amtrak still has no dividers between seats. They should have arm wrests and foldable headrests at a minimum. Their outdated loveseat contraption has no place in this era and there is no excuse for keeping it this long.
 
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When this happens to me I jerk my shoulder to wake them up or get up and leave. These days it's easier for a guy to defend rudeness than explain kindness or indifference. It's absurd to me that Amtrak still has no dividers between seats. They should have arm wrests and foldable headrests at a minimum. Their outdated loveseat contraption has no place in this era and there is no excuse for keeping it this long.
Absolutely true. My last trip overnight in coach was quite a few years back, but my seatmate's hands and thighs kept wandering over to my legs all night, despite my complaints to him. ("Sorry, I was sleeping and just drifted over...") Which explains why it was my last overnight trip in coach.
 
My last overnight coach reservation was from BAL to WPK many years ago. My seat mate was a young man (although I was younger than I am now, I was older than he was). He was a smoker and a maintenance worker (who had not showered). I found it quite unpleasant sitting next to him in daylight hours and ending up spending time in the cafe car. At that time, conductors were able to upgrade to sleepers, however, there were none available. The conductor knew I was interested. Fortunately, there was a noshow somewhere in NC and it cost me less than $100 (cash) to get into a slumbercoach room (just in time for dinner). I have overnighted in coach once or twice on the Auto Train since then.
 
tely true. My last trip overnight in coach was quite a few years back, but my seatmate's hands and thighs kept wandering over to my legs all night, despite my complaints to him. ("Sorry, I was sleeping and just drifted over...") Which explains why it was my last overnight trip in coach.
Look at Delta's A321neo F/J seat and tell me this is not a fixable problem. Amtrak's implementation does not need to be identical but it's clear there are options and solutions available today. The first step is getting Amtrak to admit that there's a problem to be solved.

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⬆️ I've flown in these seats and there is NO chance for accidental snuggling.

You can't pick your family or your neighbors, I have fingers crossed I'll have an empty seat on my trip to NY.
The combination of Amtrak's outdated loveseats and their steadfast refusal to sell two seats to one person makes coach a nonstarter for many.
 
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While I agree these seats would ensure your seatmate is not sitting in your lap ... with those winged headrests, they do not look comfortable and would not work for couple who do want to snuggle.
They were comfortable for a tall guy (if a little claustrophobic) but the point was not that Amtrak should choose these specific seats. I was simply demonstrating how armrests, seat dividers, and/or curved headrests can provide vastly improved privacy between strangers.
 
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I'm Takeing an under the weather personal pod. Folding flat they are made with pop-out frame wire, are approximately 30 inches high. Covering you as you sit on all 4sides with clear vinyl walls, With a little sewing I put a zipper in the side of the front door and can now open wide to get out of my seat. A scarf thrown over the top offers privacy for a good sleep.
 
They were comfortable for a tall guy (if a little claustrophobic) but the point was not that Amtrak should choose these specific seats. I was simply demonstrating how armrests, seat dividers, and/or curved headrests can provide vastly improved privacy between strangers.

I understand.

However, I guess I was trying to show how there is no perfect solution. While some want total separation between them and the person in the other seat, others would not. It is not always strangers sitting next to each other.

It seems like having an armrest like the one in the picture would necessitate making the seats much narrower. Personally, I would not find the curved headrests comfortable, nor would I want the seats to be narrower than the ones Amtrak has now - others may feel just fine in a seat like the one in the picture.

Is it possible that some type of curtain that can be pulled down from the ceiling could create the wanted/desired separation without taking away seat width and some sort of fold-down armrest for those who want the division and left up for those who want to snuggle (or talk privately)?
 
I'm Takeing an under the weather personal pod. Folding flat they are made with pop-out frame wire, are approximately 30 inches high. Covering you as you sit on all 4sides with clear vinyl walls, With a little sewing I put a zipper in the side of the front door and can now open wide to get out of my seat. A scarf thrown over the top offers privacy for a good sleep.
Wonder what the Amtrak crew will think of it :)
 
I understand.

However, I guess I was trying to show how there is no perfect solution. While some want total separation between them and the person in the other seat, others would not. It is not always strangers sitting next to each other.

It seems like having an armrest like the one in the picture would necessitate making the seats much narrower. Personally, I would not find the curved headrests comfortable, nor would I want the seats to be narrower than the ones Amtrak has now - others may feel just fine in a seat like the one in the picture.

Is it possible that some type of curtain that can be pulled down from the ceiling could create the wanted/desired separation without taking away seat width and some sort of fold-down armrest for those who want the division and left up for those who want to snuggle (or talk privately)?

How about something like this:

https://stauberbest.com/products/skyshield
All that you need is a way to collapse and stow them between the seats when not needed.
 
However, I guess I was trying to show how there is no perfect solution. While some want total separation between them and the person in the other seat, others would not. It is not always strangers sitting next to each other.
I agree that there is no perfect solution but in my view what Amtrak sells now is a product more appropriate for the 1970's than the 2020's.

It seems like having an armrest like the one in the picture would necessitate making the seats much narrower. Personally, I would not find the curved headrests comfortable, nor would I want the seats to be narrower than the ones Amtrak has now - others may feel just fine in a seat like the one in the picture.
Train seats are getting narrower due to our increasingly rigid all-or-nothing ADA rules rather than improved privacy or separation.

Is it possible that some type of curtain that can be pulled down from the ceiling could create the wanted/desired separation without taking away seat width and some sort of fold-down armrest for those who want the division and left up for those who want to snuggle (or talk privately)?
To me the issue is not whether your neighbor sees you so much as touches you or leans against you. I'm not sure how a curtain solves that problem. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Personally, the extreme discomfort of having to deal with 'handsy' strangers is more important to deal with than the potential disappointment of lovebird couples being unable to cuddle on the train.
The current seat is an unnecessary risk in both directions, for people who don't want to be touched by strangers and for people who don't want to be accused of touching strangers. I would expect more people to consider a lack of physical privacy a deal breaker than would refuse to book because they cannot spend the entire trip joined at the hip. That's what bedrooms are for IMO.

Just my perspective, but I wonder if a survey would reveal a gender split on this one.
These days I would expect any deviation to be more of a generational split more than a gender split.
 
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I have traveled with my brother and my daughter. While we do not "snuggle", we do like to be able to have a simple conversation without having the added difficulty of the amount of space in that picture. We are not "love birds", just hard-of-hearing.

Likewise, with enforced ADA sizing for all center aisles and armrests wider that those in movie theaters, the size of coach seats will begin to resemble those on planes - next thing you know, they will want to sneak a center seat in there as well.
 
I'm Takeing an under the weather personal pod. Folding flat they are made with pop-out frame wire, are approximately 30 inches high. Covering you as you sit on all 4sides with clear vinyl walls, With a little sewing I put a zipper in the side of the front door and can now open wide to get out of my seat. A scarf thrown over the top offers privacy for a good sleep.
It sounds claustrophobic. Also, what about air circulation? I do not think I would like it.
 
Body Odor,very obese people, and generally obnoxious people are enough reasons to shy away from Coach. I really wish Amtrak would let you buy the seat next to you. Happened to me on the Coast Starlight last month. A guy who probably hadn’t bathed in several days was my seatmate on a trip from Portland to Davis. Looking at getting a roomette just for the overnight from Klamath Falls was $400. Frustrating Tried sleeping in the sightseer car but it was a futile effort.

Two Coach cars, please add one more Coach so people can stretch out and be comfortable!
 
Back in 2017 I rode the Silver Meteor from RVR to ORL and rode the Silver Star back (both ways in coach). I managed to sleep in my coach seat, but I don't think I would have been able to do that had it been in an Amfleet I car. I did like the extra legroom of the Amfleet II seats.
 
Absolutely true. My last trip overnight in coach was quite a few years back, but my seatmate's hands and thighs kept wandering over to my legs all night, despite my complaints to him. ("Sorry, I was sleeping and just drifted over...") Which explains why it was my last overnight trip in coach.
That’s what your elbows are for.
 
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