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Bluntly, if you're going to make a train to connect to the *cruise ship market*, you'd better use one with a full dining car. For service consistency. It would actually make sense to try to schedule the Silver Meteor to connect comfortably with as many cruises as possible, in both directions.
 
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As has been mentioned LD trains and dining cars just go together. An LD train with a snack bar or whatever it's called devalues it's image into a LD commuter train with snacks available. That's what Rosie and I felt when we booked our tickets this morning on the Silver Star(vation) (thanks Bob). We aren't interested in 5 star hotels or 5 star restaurants, but being served at a table in a train dining car has a special feel, it's (to us) a major part of LD train travel. We're not even foodies.

The SS is devalued enough in our eyes that we would have been happier paying more to use the SM but the timing into Richmond going north wasn't an option.

The other important factor (for us) that may not carry as much weight with others? is riding a train with a diner you are 'forced' to be seated with strangers, again one of the major ingredients of LD train travel. One of the major opportunities to meet natives where ever you are.

If I had to condense the appeal of LD train (Amtrak) travel (for us) it's -

  • just being able to meet people by being seated with complete strangers and often hearing fascinating stories
  • riding long enough to travel over-night
  • eating while watching the world go by
  • being forced to slow right down and relax
  • often seeing the most beautiful scenery or even terrible derelict areas of cities, it's all part of life to be appreciated and often seen only from a train window

So losing a dining car is a big deal to us and as non US citizens lessens the appeal of LD travel by a fair bit. Any future Amtrak travel for us would ensure that we checked if the train came complete with a dining car, as on reflection the being thrown together with strangers comes top of the list.

Just a personal point of view...
 
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Perfectly put, VV. Bravo! Anything less reminds me of flying the British Airways "cattle cars" back & forth to The Kingdom in the 1970's.

Cheers
 
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Flying anywhere via modern airports reminds me of being treated like cattle, prodded, poked and herded then shut in a small container...
 
Almost hate to say this with all the gourmets on this forum, but I really like those Hebrew National hot dogs. With a bag of chips and a Pepsi or beer, I'm good for the day.
I love the Hebrew National's although I prefer them grilled.
 
Now I'm a little confused here with different answers. Is it official: the Silver Star permanently has no diner? Or has Amtrak still not decided yet?
 
Now I'm a little confused here with different answers. Is it official: the Silver Star permanently has no diner? Or has Amtrak still not decided yet?
It is permanent until they decide something else as usual.
Wow! I can barely imagine travelling on an overnight train with no diner. Personally, I'd prefer fresh meals for a good breakfast, lunch, or dinner. There are some things in the cafe car I like, but I prefer fresh meals.
 
Now I'm a little confused here with different answers. Is it official: the Silver Star permanently has no diner? Or has Amtrak still not decided yet?
It is permanent until they decide something else as usual.
Wow! I can barely imagine travelling on an overnight train with no diner. Personally, I'd prefer fresh meals for a good breakfast, lunch, or dinner. There are some things in the cafe car I like, but I prefer fresh meals.
You're a couple months behind the curve on that debate. I suggest looking at some of the other posts in this thread for everything we know about the situation.
 
Now I'm a little confused here with different answers. Is it official: the Silver Star permanently has no diner? Or has Amtrak still not decided yet?
It is permanent until they decide something else as usual.
Wow! I can barely imagine travelling on an overnight train with no diner. Personally, I'd prefer fresh meals for a good breakfast, lunch, or dinner. There are some things in the cafe car I like, but I prefer fresh meals.
That's why, depending on your origin/destination, you still have the option of the Silver Meteor.

And if everyone riding the long hauls felt the way you did, I'm sure patronage of the diners would be higher, and it would still be on the Silver Star....maybe. I'm still convinced it has something to do with being able to pull a few Heritage diners off the road, until the new ones are released for revenue service.

I can't even begin to image the cost for materials and labor involved in keeping diners that are as old as my grandmother up and running. And by pulling a diner off 91/92, they're able to pull what, four diners out of service? That's great to be able to salvage parts from them if necessary.

I'm sure it'll be reinstated eventually.
 
Now I'm a little confused here with different answers. Is it official: the Silver Star permanently has no diner? Or has Amtrak still not decided yet?
It is permanent until they decide something else as usual.
Wow! I can barely imagine travelling on an overnight train with no diner. Personally, I'd prefer fresh meals for a good breakfast, lunch, or dinner. There are some things in the cafe car I like, but I prefer fresh meals.
That's why, depending on your origin/destination, you still have the option of the Silver Meteor. And if everyone riding the long hauls felt the way you did, I'm sure patronage of the diners would be higher, and it would still be on the Silver Star....maybe.
I'm staunchly pro-diner myself but Amtrak's menu selection and food quality has degraded to the point that it's becoming hard to miss it. Which is a real shame since the dining experience had substantially improved just before Amtrak suddenly reversed course and started reducing quality and selection yet again. America's Congress strikes again.

I'm sure it'll be reinstated eventually.
How do you figure? If balancing the budget is the key to Amtrak's schizophrenic mandate, then outside of a few heavily traveled corridors there is virtually no situation where reducing/restricting/removing current service doesn't benefit Amtrak's bottom line. It might be possible to bring in a third party to improve the meal service, but Amtrak doesn't appear to be interested in considering that option.
 
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Now I'm a little confused here with different answers. Is it official: the Silver Star permanently has no diner? Or has Amtrak still not decided yet?
It is permanent until they decide something else as usual.
Wow! I can barely imagine travelling on an overnight train with no diner. Personally, I'd prefer fresh meals for a good breakfast, lunch, or dinner. There are some things in the cafe car I like, but I prefer fresh meals.
What exactly is your definition of fresh?
 
Now I'm a little confused here with different answers. Is it official: the Silver Star permanently has no diner? Or has Amtrak still not decided yet?
It is permanent until they decide something else as usual.
Wow! I can barely imagine travelling on an overnight train with no diner. Personally, I'd prefer fresh meals for a good breakfast, lunch, or dinner. There are some things in the cafe car I like, but I prefer fresh meals.
What exactly is your definition of fresh?
Freshly cooked, rather than microwaved.
 
AFFAICT progressively less and less is freshly cooked even in the Amtrak Diners, most unfortunately. But at least if they could get the ambiance right with the new Diners, that would be an improvement. of course nothing substitutes for getting back to the good old days of CIA (no not the spook CIA) trained chefs.
 
AFFAICT progressively less and less is freshly cooked even in the Amtrak Diners, most unfortunately. But at least if they could get the ambiance right with the new Diners, that would be an improvement. of course nothing substitutes for getting back to the good old days of CIA (no not the spook CIA) trained chefs.
Since when? A few years ago, at the start of the "Enhanced Dining" or whatever it was called there was no food cooked to order at all. No steaks, no eggs (remember the Bob Evans Breakfast Scramble). The full service dining cars are in much better shape now then they were then.

About 2-3 years ago you could get some really great meals for Lunch and Dinner. The Crab Cakes, The Lamb Shank, Mahi Mahi Filet were all very good dinner entrees and the Beechers Cheese Macaroni and Cheese Pasta, and the fancy Grilled Cheese Sandwich were great lunch choices as well. It was also during that time I saw cloth table cloths, ceramic plates, and glassware on the Starlight, Empire Builder, and Capitol Limited (now it's just the Starlight).

I agree that the quality went downhill, the items I mentioned above are no longer available except for the Starlight Parlour Car Menu. (Unless the Crab Cakes on the current menu compare to the ones previous? I haven't tried them yet.) But that really doesn't have much to do with how the food is prepared.
 
AFFAICT progressively less and less is freshly cooked even in the Amtrak Diners, most unfortunately. But at least if they could get the ambiance right with the new Diners, that would be an improvement. of course nothing substitutes for getting back to the good old days of CIA (no not the spook CIA) trained chefs.
Since when? A few years ago, at the start of the "Enhanced Dining" or whatever it was called there was no food cooked to order at all. No steaks, no eggs (remember the Bob Evans Breakfast Scramble). The full service dining cars are in much better shape now then they were then.

About 2-3 years ago you could get some really great meals for Lunch and Dinner. The Crab Cakes, The Lamb Shank, Mahi Mahi Filet were all very good dinner entrees and the Beechers Cheese Macaroni and Cheese Pasta, and the fancy Grilled Cheese Sandwich were great lunch choices as well. It was also during that time I saw cloth table cloths, ceramic plates, and glassware on the Starlight, Empire Builder, and Capitol Limited (now it's just the Starlight).

I agree that the quality went downhill, the items I mentioned above are no longer available except for the Starlight Parlour Car Menu. (Unless the Crab Cakes on the current menu compare to the ones previous? I haven't tried them yet.) But that really doesn't have much to do with how the food is prepared.
Also, about the food quality, the thing I hate is the scrambled eggs don't taste like normal scrambled eggs to me, and also I've always seen biscuits and croissants as whole wheat. Is there actually an option of whether you can eat it as white or whole wheat or no?
 
How do you figure? If balancing the budget is the key to Amtrak's schizophrenic mandate, then outside of a few heavily traveled corridors there is virtually no situation where reducing/restricting/removing current service doesn't benefit Amtrak's bottom line. It might be possible to bring in a third party to improve the meal service, but Amtrak doesn't appear to be interested in considering that option.
You know, of course. Balancing the budget by increasing revenue. It's clearly not possible to do so by cutting costs. Cutting costs is often *bad* for the bottom line.
 
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