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    Business class on the Illini/Saluki is a ripoff

    Yes. And the seats look similar.
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    Business class on the Illini/Saluki is a ripoff

    Personally, I think the trains that have the business/cafe car should be called First Class, because it honestly seems to be closer to first class on the Acela than the other business class options. Of course if they do that, they would probably feel that that would allow them to jack up the price.
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    Business class on the Illini/Saluki is a ripoff

    I asked the conductor because I was curious. He claimd that it is their winter fleet. They mentioned something to do with pipes freezing. I don't believe that, because the amfleets and horizons are still used on all the other regional lines out of Chicago year round. Also, the Pere Marquette...
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    Business class on the Illini/Saluki is a ripoff

    They will have the 2+1 seating.
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    Business class on the Illini/Saluki is a ripoff

    I actually remember reading an article a couple years ago about all the inconsistencies about Amtrak's business class. I believe this is it: Amtrak's Business Class too often isn't worth the extra fare - Trains Magazine - Trains News Wire, Railroad News, Railroad Industry News, Web Cams, and Forms
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    Business class on the Illini/Saluki is a ripoff

    I honestly think just riding on the lower level is better, and its half the cost. Hopefully, they will stop the occasional use of the superliners on the Illini/Saluki ounce the new Venture cars are put in service.
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    Business class on the Illini/Saluki is a ripoff

    I will be giving business class another shot because I will be taking the Lincoln Service soon and those seats look really comfy and it's a long way to St. Louis, so hopefully it will be worth the extra $25.
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    Business class on the Illini/Saluki is a ripoff

    Normally, I believe the Illini/Saluki, has the "normal" business class you find on other trains from Chicago. The 2+1 arrangement, and the big cushy leather seats with armrests in the middle, in the second half of the café car. Its just that they sometimes use the superliner equipment on that...
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    Business class on the Illini/Saluki is a ripoff

    Yeah, I still got that stuff, but I was still really disappointed because everytime I rode an Amtrak train to St. Louis or Michigan, I would see the business class section of the cafe car and think "Man, some day I want to ride in there. It looks really nice." And this time I decided to go for...
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    Business class on the Illini/Saluki is a ripoff

    It was at the very front of the train, above the café. It was more quiet, but you can get the same experience by just booking a lower level ticket at less than half the cost.
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    Business class on the Illini/Saluki is a ripoff

    I booked a business class ticket on the Saluki, and instead of the normal single level coaches, the Superliners were used instead. Business class was just a normal section of the coach with a curtain separating it. You might just be better off booking a coach seat on the lower level instead.
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    Sumitomo/Siemens Contract for 137 Cars (former bi-levels)

    I believe they will, since the café cars aren't expected to arrive until 2022. That would look horrible. I already think that Horizon cars coupled with Amfleet cars look bad, so I can't even imagine how out of place the older cars would look.
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    New Siemens Charger locomotive

    Looks like they are paying homage to the original Amtrak logo.
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    New Siemens Charger locomotive

    I don't know about the livery. What do you think? https://railcolornews.com/2020/08/06/us-amtrak-reveals-the-final-design-of-its-long-distance-charger/
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    Sumitomo/Siemens Contract for 137 Cars (former bi-levels)

    All this paint talk is driving me crazy. So the line on the coach is thicker than than the line on locomotive. WHO CARES? It still matches up and looks fine.
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    Sumitomo/Siemens Contract for 137 Cars (former bi-levels)

    One small problem that I have with them is that you can see all the stuff underneath the car. They should have put a wall or fin underneath to give it a more sleek look like the Brightline versions or Viaggio Comfort versions.
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    Sumitomo/Siemens Contract for 137 Cars (former bi-levels)

    Ok. I found a video of the Midwest train cars getting delivered.
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    Sumitomo/Siemens Contract for 137 Cars (former bi-levels)

    This video contains a picture of the Midwest train cars around the 30 minute mark. So far, that's the only picture I could find. I love the livery. it reminds of Deutsche Bahn or Eurostar.
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