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    Business class on the Illini/Saluki is a ripoff

    Its not a matter of superiority, rather a wish to have less noise and distractions. The Saluki carries in normal times 6 cars full of college students and personally I just prefer to not deal with all of that.
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    Business class on the Illini/Saluki is a ripoff

    The answer to that window question was answered years ago by many rail roads. This is the GM&O parlor car from St. Louis to Chicago which I rode many times. Some of them had a fan tail section on the rear, others just a door. The chairs all swiveled so you could talk to the person next to you...
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    Booking Two Bedrooms for a 2 Hour Train

    We have often taken that 8pm train from Chicago for a 5 hour trip south, and often in a bedroom. However as so many things with Amtrak the money seems to be a driver. The cost used to be rather reasonable, cost far more now than it used to be. My feeling is they don't want to sell a bedroom...
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    Business class on the Illini/Saluki is a ripoff

    I have used the business class on the Saluki many times and its always been as shown in the photo above a few messages. The last time we rode it there was a remodeled car like it, with an excellent attendant who went way out of his way to be friendly and helpful. That part is unusual. He told...
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    Five And Forty Four Years Of Fares. . .

    Your information matches just about what I recall. The step up to a first class ticket as they called it then was reasonable. It used to be simply a price added for those who wished to have a way to sleep and some privacy but not as a way to gouge the public. Today its the latter.
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    Five And Forty Four Years Of Fares. . .

    Unless I can't understand the way this is figured, it sort of confirms what I recalled and was often told here it wasn't so.. My recollection was that for about a third more than coach you could step up to a sleeper, ( roomette) accommodation. And that now the roomette is many times the...
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    Best Chicago-Florida Route?

    All the proposals are interesting to think about. But, I almost bet Amtrak is not interested in anything long distance since they are already trying to wreck as much of the overnight trains as they can. No doubt many of the listed cities would help generate revenues on the system, but is Amtrak...
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    Large increase in Empire Builder fares?

    Yes it seems that Amtrak is determined to do what almost no railroad has done, cover all its expenses though fares. I agree it is a situation that may lead to the end of train travel. The government willingly continues of repair federal highways at enormous cost yet they are basically free to...
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    Will full service dining ever return to the Western trains?

    When you consider that some store bought frozen dinners are pretty decent while others to me are not. They why can't they at least buy from the manufacture ones that are decent. We get a Marie Callender chicken with pasta and broccoli that is quite tasty, or some stoffers dinners are very...
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    Will full service dining ever return to the Western trains?

    It seems like Amtrak has found a way to discourage passengers on long distance trains which in turn will give them an excuse to try to eliminate them. I for one have been very unhappy with the food for quite some time, even before the new boxed meals some of the meals were less than well...
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    Who travels in the Sleeper Cars?

    I took a couple of coach overnights, that was when I was very young yet, around 1960. One was a dreadful trip from New York City to St. Louis at Christmas. They ran coaches that didn't have reclining seats, no water in the cars other than the diner which was pretty much a joke. It was below...
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    Will full service dining ever return to the Western trains?

    If the powers that be hadn't slashed the routes by two thirds after they took over the passenger levels would be many times what they say Long Distance would draw to day.. A few routes are just not a way to determine what the demand for rail service is. If the connections aren't there you can't go.
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    Will full service dining ever return to the Western trains?

    To those who think the diner is no longer a necessity, I would ask, why then did every railroad carry a diner if its so unnecessary. I used to ride to Chicago from St.Louis quite often. The GM&O managed to carry a full service diner and quite well prepared food, and that was for a six hour or...
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    Will full service dining ever return to the Western trains?

    Your right about congress, there in lies the problem. However for the kind of charges you are paying for a sleeper, I don't blame people for thinking the food service should be at least decent. Amtrak ran diners since 71 I think it was? For years they provided a full service diner with real...
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    Will full service dining ever return to the Western trains?

    Its interesting when you read the Dining by Rail book, the history and recipes from the railroads, you see that most of the big name trains were operated with fine dining in mind as a draw to the passengers and to the reputation of the company... Those days appear gone. We do need to remember...
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    Will full service dining ever return to the Western trains?

    The last long distance trip I took was probably five years ago by now. On the Southwest Chief returning from California we had a nice couple who sat with us in the diner. Which then was still somewhat of a restaurant affair. After we got our food it was obvious that the couple were on their...
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    City of New Orleans routing

    They passenger loads in Champaign and Carbondale are huge during colleges being open, that might be one reason to keep it here. But your right the passenger loads from ST.Louis would surly help. For a while they ran a daily connecting train from St. Louis to Carbondale of one car. At one time...
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    City of New Orleans routing

    It was said that the average speed for the City of New Orleans and the Panama Limited was 100 miles per hour including the stops. I remember coming home from New Orleans on it and the sparks were flying off the rails on curves due to the high speed. All that ended when a few miles from where I...
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    City of New Orleans routing

    These were the days when traveling by rail meant a new and exciting adventure for each named train.. Locals perhaps not, but long distance was geared to a visual experience of the interior as well as the outside scenery. The Empire builder with all its western and indian motif's was a great...
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    Way to cut down losses on long distance trains

    I suppose some lines are gone, but of the ones I know about that are trails at least one other line and in many cases two other lines cover the same basic cities. Some small towns may be different but the end points are generally larger mid sized cities which now are lucky to have one choice of...
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