While they do collect airport fees – there are all kinds of costs that are not airline funded. Here’s just one illustration of what the government paid for the FAA in its 2019 budget.yes thats called fares.
Because ALL forms of transportation NEED a subsidy!! Operating, Capital, or BOTH! Airlines, Trucks, Highways, etc. NEED a subsidy!Why shoud govt fundamtrak? Thats anunfair advantageover the airlines.
And those that get "competitive" about Amtrak don't understand how many communities that are served by Amtrak don't have access to a major airport.Not to me, but people tend to get very competitive when it comes to Amtrak versus the airlines.
BUT, they do regulate certain aspects of the airlines.Maybe because the Gov't owns Amtrak and they do not own the airlines ...
I don't see many aviation fans complaining about Amtrak subsidies. However, I frequently see railfans complaining about air subsidies.And those that get "competitive" about Amtrak don't understand how many communities that are served by Amtrak don't have access to a major airport.
Did you not read the statistics that I provided?Why would someone getting $1000 dollars complain about someone getting $100?
Did you genuinely think that nobody would click on your link to check your claims, or are you legitimately quoting a 40 year old study as proof of what's happening today?I don't see many aviation fans complaining about Amtrak subsidies. However, I frequently see railfans complaining about air subsidies.
According to the non-partisan CBO, per passenger mile, Amtrak receives 23.6 cents in net federal subsidies whereas commercial aviation receives 0.2 cents per mile. Highway users, whether in cars or buses, receive 0.1 cents per passenger mile.
So let's be honest, Amtrak is not treated more poorly than other forms of transportation. Whether they should receive more is a fair discussion - but you aren't going to get very far by claiming that they are treated worse than air or highway.
I have always maintained that government should support various forms of transportation. Choice is good for the public.
Weird. The link says 2018. I went by that.Did you genuinely think that nobody would click on your link to check your claims, or are you legitimately quoting a 40 year old study as proof of what's happening today?
Either way, you fail.
Not to me, but people tend to get very competitive when it comes to Amtrak versus the airlines.
Nobody you responded to was attacking airlines and few are as competitive about splitting hairs as you are.I don't see many aviation fans complaining about Amtrak subsidies. However, I frequently see railfans complaining about air subsidies.
Are you seriously doubting that Amtrak receives much more subsidy per passenger mile?I'm going to go ahead and ask you to show your work on those figures.
While I agree with your premise that passenger rail advocates should not complain about subsidies of other transportation modes for this reason (Though I do think it's legitimate to point out that other transportation modes are subsidized when people complain about Amtrak not making a profit), I think you have to look a bit deeper. That's also taking a viewpoint that the only legitimate measure of government "favoring" a transportation mode is with calculating the per mile passenger subsidy. To really get the full picture though you have to look at things from a policy perspective as well - things that have been done over the years to position the automobile as the dominant form of transportation in the US - from the building of the interstate system and the influential position of the petroleum industry in the US. In America - from government down we undoubtedly favor the automobile and air travel over passenger rail. While it's true we subsidize Amtrak, we subsidize it to keep the lights on - we have not made the investments needed to advance passenger rail beyond the 1950s into the modern passenger rail that many other countries have that can be more competitive with air and road travel. Some of this is simply societal - there is no transportation method more American than road travel - its a symbol of freedom of movement and individual liberties and the spread out nature of our country and where we live. And I'm also not saying we should change that - while I think we should make investments to increase the value of our passenger rail network - I also don't think we should become Europe either with their much more centrally planned society.People should be VERY careful when they argue that government should not favor one form of transportation over another, because government does, and the beneficiary is clearly Amtrak.
I don't actually have a dog in the fight, but given that it's demonstrated that you're barely reading the documents you're throwing around as references, I'm not just going to press the "I believe" button on whatever figures you're throwing around to try and prove your point. You're going to have to earn some credibility before that happens.Are you seriously doubting that Amtrak receives much more subsidy per passenger mile?
When comparing two forms of intercity travel, the passenger-mile metric seems about the best metric to use.Any time some use “Loss per passenger mile” it’s a hit job on Amtrak.