I've been describing them as "red headed stepchildren" based on the way Amtrak mistreats the eastern so-called-long-distance trains versus their actual business potential -- so "orphan" seems appropriate too.No no. Don't get me wrong. I was not worried about the specific term. I was merely trying to understand what it meant in this context.
So all Eastern LD trains are orphan trains then, including the two Silvers, the Cardinal and the LSL and Capitol Ltd., in addition to the ones you listed in your earlier message. Got it.
My Cunard experience was a while ago but the elevators were very crowded around meal time - which was my point. I know some five minute covid tests aren’t accurate.
I was pleased on the two roundtrips I’ve taken on Amtrak during covid. The DownEaster was 50% AND because the cafe was off limits, had food/wine delivered by wait staff. I as a coach passenger tip 20% but on that trip 40%. I heard sleeper class don’t tip well. On Cunard it was 5% tip of the room cost and separate for wait staff. On an $1100 train fare $5 that some are leaving is too cheap- especially for the pandemic.
CVS sells a $28 Covid19 test. I might buy one even though they’re not that accurate - but might give some assurance when I arrive at my destination. Coach is 100% with mask on unless consuming food or beverages - AGAIN 100%. I don’t think the dining car should be 100% either.
If the dining car is set to 50% limit AND only 25% full - as democratic as Amtrak normal is, the 25% that’s empty should be filled by coach passengers who want to dine in the dining car.
I don't know. I was recently at a hotel where they had an elevator rule that only members of one party could use the elevator together.I doubt that Cunard will allow crowded elevators nowadays.
On.some layovers around 30 minutes or so I plan to schedule food delivery to the train. Does this work? I’d much rather the dining car.I'l be using the rail.pass in August and September. I would have gladly purchased a meal from the dining car,but that is not to be. I do have a sleeper in addition to the pass,so I will partake for four days.
Aside from the copious rice, I need a map to figure out what's what on that plate.View attachment 22904
The garlic and herb crusted cod filet with fresh lemon and tartar sauce. Brought to my room with out the lemon or tartar sauce. Server on a very short Texas Eagle (4 cars). Was a disappointment, fish was dry and the rice and carrots were of a microwave version. Not sure if the CCC has the same ability to cook food as the newer Viewliner 2 Dinners. This meal was much more of a TV dinner type, and unlike the LSL, server without a roll.
We walked into the dining car and although it was closed, there were definitely dining car attendants. Or was this just for the flexible dining service where they would need the car to do the cooking?
I would say at least a couple hundred less. Not just for the cost of the food but for the inconvenience of having to carry your own. I hate when transportation companies try to “decouple” formerly included items from their fares and say it is so people have a “choice to pay for what they use”. It’s BS unless prices are otherwise fixed. With “dynamic” pricing different people could already be paying hundreds of dollars different. (i.e. Passenger A pays $500 with meals included but Passenger B pays $600 with no meals based on when it was booked and the demand?) It sucks on the airlines and would suck on Amtrak. I only see it working if there is a set price list for tickets regardless of when they are booked (i.e. NYP - MIA is $500 with meals and $400 without meals all the time with no “dynamics” in play).Back to the subject of dining; hypothetically if Amtrak were to offer a sleeper fare option w/o meals included how big a discount would there need to be for it to be worthwhile?
But to some extent that may be irrelevant. Whether the Transport and/or Accommodation fare is yield managed or not has nothing to do with inclusion or not of Food component in the fare. The fare is constructed out of three components - Transport, Accommodation and Food. Each can be separately yield managed or not and the sum is the fare that is charged. It would make sense not to do yield management on the food component and just slap it onto the Transport + Accommodation yield managed fare, if that is what they wish.Yeah. Fares were not yield managed back when they started including meals in the fares.
From an accounting standpoint you are correct. From a public relations and optics standpoint I disagree with you though. Unless food was removed from all fares completely and a pre-paid voucher type system was used where people who wanted meals could buy vouchers for them (or something of the sort).But to some extent that may be irrelevant. Whether the Transport and/or Accommodation fare is yield managed or not has nothing to do with inclusion or not of Food component in the fare. The fare is constructed out of three components - Transport, Accommodation and Food. Each can be separately yield managed or not and the sum is the fare that is charged. It would make sense not to do yield management on the food component and just slap it onto the Transport + Accommodation yield managed fare, if that is what they wish.
Afterall until the early '90s Amtrak did noy add on a food component to the fare, and even after they started, it was only to the Sleeper fare, not to the Slumbercoach fare.
As you noted up front, I was merely stating that as a matter of feasibility of the mechanics there is no problem. I was not commenting on tastes in people's mouths (pun intended), since that is just a matter of ones opinion. And as they say, everyone has at least one ...From an accounting standpoint you are correct. From a public relations and optics standpoint I disagree with you though. Unless food was removed from all fares completely and a pre-paid voucher type system was used where people who wanted meals could buy vouchers for them (or something of the sort).
It leaves a bad taste to offer food-inclusive fares next to non-inclusive fares when a total price is displayed. For example on many airlines they offer “basic” coach fares that don’t even include a carryon. Those fares may be higher than normal inclusive coach fares depending on yield. It’s sucks for everyone but the stockholders. On the other hand most airline first class tickets include all the same things. If they decoupled food and bags it would be a nightmare.
Well, "saving the diners" was one of the major reasons they bundled meals into the sleeper fares in the first place. I know back before that I almost never ate 3 meals a day in the diner, although I usually ate one or two.Personally, I think that if meals were decoupled from sleeper prices, the diners would disappear for lack of patronage.
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