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On a trip back from the northeast we stopped in Selma, NC for lunch and to check out the station that NC DOT had beautifully restored. For those unfamiliar with this stop on the Palmetto and Carolinian, it is the junction of the Norfolk Southern's line from Greensboro/Raleigh with the CSX line between Rocky Mount and Fayetteville that handles all the Atlantic Coast trains, most without stopping. The NS line continues on to Goldsboro and the coastal town of Morehead City, a route that NC has plans for passenger trains in the future.

The first photo shows a northbound CSX freight about to cross the NS line. NS has equipment working on the track in the backround. Behind me in the photo is the switch off the NS line from Raleigh to the connection with CSX.

Not sure if there is a thread on Amtrak stations for this post.

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Even though the 1924 station had been extensively restored, NC apparently felt the need to redo the platform on the connection track used by the Carolinian and the Silver Star (that does not stop). I'm not sure why this was necessary since passenger loadings are minimal and the previous platforms were from the 2002 restoration. Inside the station is the area where the ticket agent used to be and now is the attendant as well as what looks to be the original benches, some historical photos and information, and the large rest rooms. I did not think to take photos of it as we had seen it many times during our road trips north. In the 50's, Southern had two trains each way that stopped and the ACL had 3, plus many more that passed through.

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The Palmetto arrived while we were there. Two passengers off and one on. The friendly station attendant provides information to travelers, assists with boarding, and opens the station with its very nice interior and rest rooms.. Since she was not an Amtrak employee, she does not help with tickets or baggage. NC (and VA) are good supporters of passenger rail.


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Nice shots, thanks for posting. I always have been fascinated by smaller "junction stations" like this one. One of my favorites, used to be Effingham, IL., where the IC "Mainline of Mid America" and the PRR "Panhandle" line crossed...used to host the City of New Orleans, and the National Limited in Amtrak early days...
 

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Today, for the first time in a very long time, I was able to see train 98 Silver Meteor as it passed through Orlando. I was not at my usual spot and did not get a great view. I think there were 4 coaches. The first sleeper appeared to be a V2, and I am not sure about the second sleeper.
 
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Today, for the first time in a very long time, I was able to see train 98 Silver Meteor as it passed through Orlando. I was not at my usual spot and did not get a great view. I think there were 4 coaches.
Just 3, Penny.
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Fourth car is a cafe.
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The first sleeper appeared to be a V2, and I am not sure about the second sleeper.
It was actually the VL I that's painted like a VL II. I've been seeing it go back and forth all week.
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I called AGR Customer Service today (10/24/22). Claudette could not state with certainty if 9812 would be restored by my travel date. She was able to relocate me to the A bedroom of 9810 with all of the discounts intact on the same reservation number. Interestingly she said that some passengers do not like the A bedroom. I never heard that before. Have any of you? At least I’m in a car that will most likely be a part of the consist for my trip. 😊
 
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I called AGR Customer Service today (10/24/22). Claudette could not state with certainty if 9812 would be restored by my travel date. She was able to relocate me to the A bedroom of 9810 with all of the discounts intact on the same reservation number. Interestingly she said that some passengers do not like the A bedroom. I never heard that before. Have any of you? At least I’m in a car that will most likely be a part of the consist for my trip. 😊
Probably another case of agents being ignorant of actual conditions in the field...

Many passengers do not like Bedroom A in Superliners as it is a bit smaller with a funny shape due to a cutout for the car end aisle corner. That doesn't apply to Viewliners where A and B are identical mirror images. I have no doubt some more experienced passengers have asked the to avoid getting booked in A on Superliner trains. Probably not really understanding the difference between Superliners and Viewliners, the agent assumed a general aversion to A irrespective of equipment type the train uses.
 

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I called AGR Customer Service today (10/24/22). Claudette could not state with certainty if 9812 would be restored by my travel date. She was able to relocate me to the A bedroom of 9810 with all of the discounts intact on the same reservation number. Interestingly she said that some passengers do not like the A bedroom. I never heard that before. Have any of you? At least I’m in a car that will most likely be a part of the consist for my trip. 😊
I am one of those passengers who does not like Bedroom A on a Silver Viewliner. The couch is facing backwards. Bedroom B is my favorite, but I will accept A and sit in the chair if that is my only choice, which it will be on my next trip.
 

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I am one of those passengers who does not like Bedroom A on a Silver Viewliner. The couch is facing backwards. Bedroom B is my favorite, but I will accept A and sit in the chair if that is my only choice, which it will be on my next trip.
Exactly. I don’t mind riding backwards myself! Regarding the Superliner, I traveled in an A bedroom on the Capitol Ltd in 2019. Other than riding backwards, the bathroom entrance was as you enter the room instead of being across from the single seat like the Viewliner layout.
 

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Chiming in as someone not ignorant in actual conditions in the field here on the East Coast that prefers not to be in Viewliner Bedroom A for the reasons enumerated above. I'm less worried about it in a Superliner because of the random orientation. Facing forward is important to be where I can assure it; a marginally smaller room isn't that big of a concern.
 

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Silver meteor sleeping car 9711 room number 4. Trying to determine which side of train I’ll be on.
Most likely, you will be on the East side of the train (the left side facing in the direction of travel)
 

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I just walked down to the tracks north of downtown Orlando and saw the Silver Star 92 pass by. It was dark and the train moved quickly, but I am pretty sure the 10 car was a V1 and the 11 car was a V2, which has been the usual consist recently.
 

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I am on 97 Silver Meteor right now and both the 10 and the 11 cars are V2 sleepers. On Tuesday's 98 Silver Meteor, the 10 car was a V1 and the 11 car was a V2.

I am guessing things got a bit "messed up" as a result of hurricane/tropical storm Nicole.
 
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I'm looking at booking the Silver service out of Miami around 12/16/22. Most days I look (like 12/17) there is a 98 Meteor departing in the early morning and the 92 Star departing around noon. But I'm not finding a 92 on Friday 12/16. What am I missing? Thanks.
 
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I'm looking at booking the Silver service out of Miami around 12/16/22. Most days I look (like 12/17) there is a 98 Star departing in the early morning and the 92 Star departing around noon. But I'm not finding a 92 on Friday 12/16. What am I missing? Thanks.
98 is not Star. It is Meteor.

I just looked up 12/16 and had no problem finding both the 92 Star and the 98 Meteor departing Miami.
 
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Yes, I forgot to fix the edit.
Right now if I go to the Amtrak page and put in MIA to BOS, on 12/16 I don't get offered a Star. Just the Meteor. Ahh, if I change to MIA -> NYP then I get it. Must be a NYP to BOS connection issue.
Yes, the NER @ 9:00pm is not showing.
 
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Yes, I forgot to fix the edit.
Right now if I go to the Amtrak page and put in MIA to BOS, on 12/16 I don't get offered a Star. Just the Meteor. Ahh, if I change to MIA -> NYP then I get it. Must be a NYP to BOS connection issue.
The Star arrives in NYP too late to connect to BOS
 

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Eventually I think, if they are really serious about an overnight train on the NEC extending into Virginia or beyond, they would be better off running an honest to goodness full fledged LD train. Maybe they could rejigger the schedule of the existing LD Palmetto and have it originate.terminate at Boston, and at the other end extend it to JAX and have it carry Sleepers, Diner etc.. But of course more equipment will be needed for such.
 

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Eventually I think, if they are really serious about an overnight train on the NEC extending into Virginia or beyond, they would be better off running an honest to goodness full fledged LD train. Maybe they could rejigger the schedule of the existing LD Palmetto and have it originate.terminate at Boston, and at the other end extend it to JAX and have it carry Sleepers, Diner etc.. But of course more equipment will be needed for such.
jis: I like your post. Can you envision or imagine a train with sleepers and a diner departing BOS on a schedule like the old Twilight Shoreliner--continuing on south to SAV and JAX. Maybe even MIA like the Silver Palm of the late 1990's and early 2000's (but I guess that would require two overnights). I suspect that this would really be a pipe dream that I will NOT see in my lifetime. Occasionally some things do happen in Amtrak operations that can surprise you.
 
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Maybe even MIA like the Silver Palm of the late 1990's and early 2000's (but I guess that would require two overnights).
Sounds very much like an extended Silver Palm. This would attract riders in the Carolinas that want to go north or south overnight as well as New England customers. Seaboard’s Palmland and ACL’s Havana Special/Gulf Coast Special had very sizable trains. While most of the passengers in sleepers were between the Carolinas and NY, the Miami sleeper did well until the trains were cut back.

Nothing wrong with a two night train if that enables it to serve different markets. One way to do this now is reschedule the Silver Star to be more like the Silver Palm but originate in Boston and beef up the Meteor to carry more end to end customers. But yes, a few more of those idled Viewliners would be needed - maybe one additional train set?
 

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I am one of those passengers who does not like Bedroom A on a Silver Viewliner. The couch is facing backwards. Bedroom B is my favorite, but I will accept A and sit in the chair if that is my only choice, which it will be on my next trip.
Another topic from this thread has been the issue of Viewliner Bedrooms. Since their introduction in the late 1990's, the Viewliners most always ride with the vestibule entrance in the forward of the car as well a Rooms H, A and B at the head end (H rides forward, A rides backward, B rides forward) Roomettes are moot since they have 2 forward-backward seats. But, correct me if I am wrong, the car could (if the train consist was built in the yard that way) actually ride with the vestibule entrance at the back with the H riding backward, A forward, B backward--the downside of which would be the passenger in B and/or H expecting to ride forward might be unhappy. My point and inquiry is simply to confirm the the equipment could be operated either way at the whim of a yardmaster.
 

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Another topic from this thread has been the issue of Viewliner Bedrooms. Since their introduction in the late 1990's, the Viewliners most always ride with the vestibule entrance in the forward of the car as well a Rooms H, A and B at the head end (H rides forward, A rides backward, B rides forward) Roomettes are moot since they have 2 forward-backward seats. But, correct me if I am wrong, the car could (if the train consist was built in the yard that way) actually ride with the vestibule entrance at the back with the H riding backward, A forward, B backward--the downside of which would be the passenger in B and/or H expecting to ride forward might be unhappy. My point and inquiry is simply to confirm the the equipment could be operated either way at the whim of a yardmaster.
They could ride either way mechanically. But normally the H end would be towards the Diner. So if the Sleepers are in the back of the train as they are these days they would be H forward. OTOH if they are in the front of the train then they would be H facing back towards the Diner. The Diner will generally have the Kitchen end facing the Coaches and the Table end facing the Sleepers.
 

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Another topic from this thread has been the issue of Viewliner Bedrooms. Since their introduction in the late 1990's, the Viewliners most always ride with the vestibule entrance in the forward of the car as well a Rooms H, A and B at the head end (H rides forward, A rides backward, B rides forward) Roomettes are moot since they have 2 forward-backward seats. But, correct me if I am wrong, the car could (if the train consist was built in the yard that way) actually ride with the vestibule entrance at the back with the H riding backward, A forward, B backward--the downside of which would be the passenger in B and/or H expecting to ride forward might be unhappy. My point and inquiry is simply to confirm the the equipment could be operated either way at the whim of a yardmaster.
Years ago, the Silver sleepers were in the front of the train during the summer months and in the rear during the winter. I think the Silver sleepers have been at the rear year round for at least 8 years.
 
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