Avelo Airlines Set To Takeoff

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Destinations | Avelo (aveloair.com) Avelo Airlines has been approved to start flying. Several flights will start later this month from Burbank Airport to cities in the western U. S., with the rest of them beginning in May. Aircraft type is the B737 Next Generation aircraft.
 

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Yes, you pay extra for everything. Checked Baggage, Carry-On Bag, Window Seat, Everything.
 

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Interesting!
Checked Baggage is $10.
Carry on Bag- priceless! ($35)

I've used Burbank airport few times. It's a small and charming airport. It is supposed to build a new terminal building replacing the old ones due to proximity to the runway. It'll be the same number of gates- 15.
 

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It'll be interesting to see how Burbank-Eugene does [being a former Eugenian, myself :) ] And off topic, but Southwest is starting service to Eugene, also.
 

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Interesting!
Checked Baggage is $10.
Carry on Bag- priceless! ($35)
If they are going to charge for bags, I think that this price discrepancy makes a lot of sense. No more dealing with gate checking because the overhead bins are full.
 
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Yes, you pay extra for everything. Checked Baggage, Carry-On Bag, Window Seat, Everything.
I've been waiting for an airline to finally try this model. All I see on my flights are hundreds of legroom-hating, middle-seat-loving, luggage-free passengers that are fed up with airlines failing to cater to their needs.
 

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I've been waiting for an airline to finally try this model. All I see on my flights are hundreds of legroom-hating, middle-seat-loving, luggage-free passengers that are fed up with airlines failing to cater to their needs.
This may not be my preferred model, but I fail to see why choice is a bad thing. There are plenty of other carriers flying out of Burbank that don't charge a premium for window or aisle seats. Southwest won't even charge for a bag. And if Avelo charges for these things, but is still the same price as other airlines even with these fees, what's the harm? At least some people were able to get a cheaper flight if they felt it was worth sitting in the middle seat.

If there is a valid concern, it's the potential of "cost creep" because other airlines institute these fees but don't lower fares at the same time.
 

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I've been waiting for an airline to finally try this model. All I see on my flights are hundreds of legroom-hating, middle-seat-loving, luggage-free passengers that are fed up with airlines failing to cater to their needs.
I just looked at a trip from Burbank to Grand Junction departing June 6th and returning on the 13th.

Avelo's base fare is $43.00, including taxes. With a checked bag and two standard aisle seats, the fare is $95 round trip.

The next cheapest fare is $279 on Delta.

And a trip from Burbank to Eugene on the same dates: Avelo with checked bags and an aisle seat with 34" seat pitch is $159 round trip. The next cheapest fare is $289 on Alaska.

Seems like Avelo offers great value - at least in these examples.
 

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American is taking offense to the launch of the new airline on one of their routes. Instead of the motley crew of Regional jets on the route they've upgraded it to the mainline and dumped 1,500 new weekly seats on the route. American doesn't want to play ball with a new airline.
 

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If anyone watched DJ's Aviation on YouTube, he does many aviation updates that are quick and informational. He has a quick video about this, I just haven't watched it yet.
 

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American is taking offense to the launch of the new airline on one of their routes. Instead of the motley crew of Regional jets on the route they've upgraded it to the mainline and dumped 1,500 new weekly seats on the route. American doesn't want to play ball with a new airline.
But has American matched Avelo's prices?

As for regional jets, one of my favorite planes is the E175. I would match rather fly an E175 than a B737 or A321. I love the single seat in first class, and coach is roomy with no middle seat.
 

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But has American matched Avelo's prices?

As for regional jets, one of my favorite planes is the E175. I would match rather fly an E175 than a B737 or A321. I love the single seat in first class, and coach is roomy with no middle seat.
The E-jets (any of the sizes) don't have the claustrophobic feeling of either the CRJs or ERJs
 

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At least for now. Once they knock off the competition, they'll be able to charge whatever they want.
Not really. They need to fill large planes between Burbank and places like Pasco, WA. There is only so much demand for these markets and second-tier airports.

And the idea that they would "knock off" a legacy carrier is ambitious at best.
 
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This may not be my preferred model, but I fail to see why choice is a bad thing. There are plenty of other carriers flying out of Burbank that don't charge a premium for window or aisle seats. Southwest won't even charge for a bag.
It's interesting that you see no irony in holding up no-frills Southwest Airlines as some sort of full-service alternative.
 

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It's interesting that you see no irony in holding up no-frills Southwest Airlines as some sort of full-service alternative.
All I said is that Southwest does not charge extra for window and/or aisle seats and that they don't charge for bags - all of which is true.

How you interpreted that as my saying that Southwest is a "full service airline" is completely lost on me.

Also, the "premium" that Avelo charges for an aisle or window seat is either $1 or $2, depending on the seat. I personally would not get too wound up about it, especially when the overall fare is $100 - $150 lower than the competition.

But the beauty of this - and my original point - is that if you don't like it you don't have to fly them. If you would rather pay $100 more and give up a non-stop flight because you object to the charge, that is your prerogative. Avelo is banking on the fact that most people will feel differently.
 
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All I said is that Southwest does not charge extra for window and/or aisle seats and that they don't charge for bags - all of which is true.
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Southwest does not charge for set selection because they make no effort to ensure you will receive any particular seat? Why is this a compelling argument in your view?

How you interpreted that as my saying that Southwest is a "full service airline" is completely lost on me.
I'm still lost on why you thought a random joke about airlines needed two rebuttals. Did it look like a riddle to you?
 
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I'm still lost on why you thought a random joke about airlines needed two rebuttals. Did it look like a riddle to you?
Because of your proclivity to be argumentative, it is hard to distinguish between when you are joking and using sarcasm to underscore a point.

Regardless, this type of business model is interesting to discuss, even when you misattribute what I say about Southwest. Spirit, Frontier and Allegient all seem to make it work. Spirit's "big comfy seat" is usually a very good deal, so it's nice to see that consumers have choices.

On Avelo, I can get 34" seat pitch and a checked bag for a very attractive price. Hopefully they do well.
 

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Thanks! And As Ryan Air once suggested, Pay Toilets??( Greyhound had them in the Stations in the old days!)
In Greyhound's defense, I will say that they never had a pay toilet on board....only in the terminals, and then, they also had some 'free' toilets, which admittedly weren't as well maintained...
 

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In Greyhound's defense, I will say that they never had a pay toilet on board....only in the terminals, and then, they also had some 'free' toilets, which admittedly weren't as well maintained...
We used to call it " The Greyhound Limbo!"😉
 

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Avelo Airlines started flying today. First flight was a 10:30am departure from Burbank to Santa Rosa, CA. About 70 passengers were onboard but how many were paying is not known.
 
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