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1. Does the MIA airport station have high level platform for Amtrak ? If so no problem there.
2. I believe a connection between the south E-W FEC track and the east N-S Florida TriRail track will need a connection in the SE corner of those two lines at IRIS CP ? Both lines are 2 Main track. That along with the necessary signaling and of course the PTC interchange from FEC to TriRail and reverse. Last time there no real estate problem unlike the NE connection that had to be weaved under Metro Rail and, station and ? street.
 

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No high level platform at Miami airport station at this time. No Amtrak service only Tri-Rail which is majority trilevel railcars. So low level platform only.
 

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2. I believe a connection between the south E-W FEC track and the east N-S Florida TriRail track will need a connection in the SE corner of those two lines at IRIS CP ? Both lines are 2 Main track. That along with the necessary signaling and of course the PTC interchange from FEC to TriRail and reverse. Last time there no real estate problem unlike the NE connection that had to be weaved under Metro Rail and, station and ? street.
Your memory is not serving you well. Open up Google Map of the area to refresh.

There was no weaving under Metro Rail involved for the NE connector at CP Iris. There was additional bridging required for NW 37th Ave.

The SE connector will require dismantling of the RAM Steel Framing facility and acquisition of that land, and some more additional bridging work at NW 37th Ave.
 

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Copy editors and error checkers were the first casualties of streamlining news organizations. With word processors becoming the norm, spell-check became the standard, with error checking (if any) done by unpaid or underpaid interns. Unfortunately most of them don't know the difference between there, their or they're any better than computer spell-check. Most embarrassing is when TV News gets a "super" wrong and it's a famous person or placename.
It's not just about copy editing.

Back in the day journalists actually went out and did research on the ground. Asking questions and debunking and checking things out.

These days they don't have the time for that and just blindly believe whatever the press releases claim.

At least as far as business and local news is concerned.
 

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The scuttlebutt in the architects community appears to be that Brightline has selected the GasWorx location for its Tampa station. This is an area to the left of the Amtrak route as it enters Tampa station. It is roughly between where the TECO Trolley line crosses Amtrak's route and Tampa Union station. I suspect that like its Miami station it will be an elevated structure with associated real estate development.
 

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The scuttlebutt in the architects community appears to be that Brightline has selected the GasWorx location for its Tampa station. This is an area to the left of the Amtrak route as it enters Tampa station. It is roughly between where the TECO Trolley line crosses Amtrak's route and Tampa Union station. I suspect that like its Miami station it will be an elevated structure with associated real estate development.
I don't know about it being elevated. I assume Miami is elevated because the ROW crosses several streets there. If I'm looking at the right place in Tampa, that wouldn't be the case if it comes in from the same direction as Amtrak. In fact, there is an elevated expressway and ramp that might conflict with an elevated platform.
 

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I am just assuming that the architects know better than me
In fact, there is an elevated expressway and ramp that might conflict with an elevated platform.
There is no elevated expressway incursion at the proposed site. The elevated expressway is to its south.

Just like in Miami this edifice would be above several streets and the tracks will also have to cross the CSX approach to Tampa Union Station and the TECO Trolley.
 

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Is this the location? The place marked "TECO"?

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The current Amtrak approach is the track marked with a reddish-brown line and the TECO Trolley is the blue line

If so, where is the new approach going to be ... is the new rail going to be using the ROW in the middle of I-4?
 

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Is this the location? The place marked "TECO"?

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The current Amtrak approach is the track marked with a reddish-brown line and the TECO Trolley is the blue line

If so, where is the new approach going to be ... is the new rail going to be using the ROW in the middle of I-4?
Yes. The are still working out that piece of detail. One could merely surmise that it would be elevated roughly along 125th St. Niuccio Pkwy. But there are other possibilities.

My thinking is, if it is indeed going to be an elevated station, it would have been kind of nice if they could have placed it right atop the Tampa Union Station Yard, with pedestrian access from both the Union Station head house and Ybor City end, together with a TECO Trolley stop at the north end of the station.

Right now it is relatively early times. Let us see how it develops.
 

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OK, so it looks like Cocoa-Orlando is actually well ahead of the upgrades from WPB-Cocoa. Cocoa-Orlando is expected to be done June 2022 (I think I know what the slowest bit is -- the expressway relocation). But WPB-Cocoa is not expected to be done until Q4 2022, and therefore contains the critical path. I wonder which bridge is the critical path: it's going to be one of the bridges, for sure.
 

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With TUS being owned by the City of Tampa and is on the U.S. National Register of Historic Places, that could be a reason it would not be used as a location for Brightline. It's adjacent proximity would make it very easy to have some sort of physical connection between the two.
 

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I am just assuming that the architects know better than me

There is no elevated expressway incursion at the proposed site. The elevated expressway is to its south.

Just like in Miami this edifice would be above several streets and the tracks will also have to cross the CSX approach to Tampa Union Station and the TECO Trolley.
Is this the location? The place marked "TECO"?

View attachment 20281

The current Amtrak approach is the track marked with a reddish-brown line and the TECO Trolley is the blue line

If so, where is the new approach going to be ... is the new rail going to be using the ROW in the middle of I-4?
OK, I was looking closer to Union Station.
 

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My thinking is, if it is indeed going to be an elevated station, it would have been kind of nice if they could have placed it right atop the Tampa Union Station Yard, with pedestrian access from both the Union Station head house and Ybor City end, together with a TECO Trolley stop at the north end of the station.
I don't think there will be much demand for transfers between Amtrak and Brightline in Tampa, as the routes are more duplications rather than connections. Orlando might be the more logical point to create such a transfer station, but Brightline have (understandably) chosen not to persue that avenue. At least not for now although obviously the door is not yet shut on that possibility in some future phase. And of course a Jacksonville extension, if that ever gets built, would also offer opportunities.

Much more important than connecting to Amtrak would be to position the station in a location with plenty of potential sources of riders within walking distance, as well as useful onward transportation links. The location in Miami is pretty much picture-book perfect in that respect. I'm not sufficiently familiar with Tampa to say if the proposed location achieves that.
 
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Interesting they have an option for cafe cars. Presumably if they order them it won't be until Tampa is active. Brightline West should definitely have cafe/bar cars.
If I'm not mistaken I read somewhere that the cafe/bar cars will be added once service to Orlando starts.
 
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If I'm not mistaken I read on an article that the cafe/bar cars will be added once service to Orlando starts.
A 3-hour trip is certainly long enough to enjoy lunch or a cocktail (or 2), but I think the order would have been activated by now if they wanted the cars in time for the planned start data of Orlando service at the end of 2022.
 
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