- Jul 15, 2019
- Gator Country Florida
First Brightline Test Train on the Orlando Line
They say there will only be 10 total sets - 8 in service, 1 spare, and 1 in rotating maintenance.After commencement of our North Segment service, we anticipate having ten trainsets, each including two locomotives for our Florida passenger rail system. The Project Owner ordered an additional twenty passenger cars in the fourth quarter of 2022, with half to be delivered in 2024 and the remainder to be delivered in 2025. We expect to operate eight trainsets in regular operations, leaving one spare trainset available for private charter service or redundancy and one trainset to accommodate for shop rotation time (to allow rolling stock to be monitored, inspected, serviced and maintained without adversely impacting regularly scheduled service). We will also use the spare locomotive for redundancy as needed.
If each smart car holds 66 and the premium holds 42, does this mean they are adding 2 smart cars to only 6 of the 12 trainsets? And the other 6 remain at 4 coach cars each? I do recall reading somewhere recently that initial Orlando service would be 9 RT's per day.
Yes, initially I agree there will be the current 10 trainsets with 4 cars each configured with 3 smart and 1 premium (240 seats per trainset).They say there will only be 10 total sets - 8 in service, 1 spare, and 1 in rotating maintenance.
I suspect they'll they'll get all 20 as smart coaches which would then mean they have 10 5+1 car sets.What's left unsaid is how they plan to implement the additional equipment as it comes online in 2024 and 2025. To get to 372 seats per train (this is where it becomes a question of how many trains get additional cars) with only 20 additional cars, the only way the math works is to have 6 of the existing 10 trainsets get 2 additional smart service cars and the 2 new trainsets get the usual 3 smart and 1 premium car.
So of the 20 new cars, 18 will be smart coaches and 2 will be premium I think.
5 smart + 1 premium = 372 seats. But there aren't enough new cars coming to equip all 12 trainsets with 5 smart and 1 premium car. So obviously they are going to have to have a limited number of 372 seat trainsets.
The 4 additional Chargers are for 2 new trainsets I would suspect. They don't need 5 spares.
I like the word rotating maintenance.They say there will only be 10 total sets - 8 in service, 1 spare, and 1 in rotating maintenance.
That is why they ordered 20 more cars, and will probably ordered even more as demand develops. They will be focusing on high revenue per seat scenarios and hence on Orlando service rather than on short turns. I suspect they would prefer to sell seats to Orlando rather than to FLL and then run empty seats to Orlando. So the supply patterns will change between Miami and WPB when Orlando service begins.The only downside is if Brightline seats are in so much demand that Brightline cannot meet the demand.
There is the Amtrak method, which is to defer and ignore it.I like the word rotating maintenance.
As if there is any other way to do maintenance?
Or the famous "Roll in Roll out" untouched method of maintenance.There is the Amtrak method, which is to defer and ignore it.
I have heard from one of the people I know at Brightline that focusing on long distance and higher revenue service is the main goal now. Reading more of the bond offering memorandum, they basically are predicting almost no riders between Aventura and Miami due to the start of local commuter service by the year 2028. Revenue from Orlando ridership will be five times that of all local South Florida ridership in 2028, yet ridership will only be twice that. That is why they seem to be pivoting from the early years of focusing on South Florida. Longer term, I would think service to Orlando and Tampa will be their primary and most important destinations/origins from S Florida.That is why they ordered 20 more cars, and will probably ordered even more as demand develops. They will be focusing on high revenue per seat scenarios and hence on Orlando service rather than on short turns. I suspect they would prefer to sell seats to Orlando rather than to FLL and then run empty seats to Orlando. So the supply patterns will change between Miami and WPB when Orlando service begins.
I believe it is 10 cars for the Miami, Ft Lauderdale, WPB, and Orlando (MCO airport) stations. Not sure about The Boca Raton and Aventura stations.I'm sure this is mentioned deep in these threads, but what is the max train size that the platforms are built for? Any chance Premier service would grow out of one car per trainser?
No, 5 spare cars is about "right", especially given an incident or two of somebody panicking and popping a window. Being able to just pull a car from service and replace it is not a bad thing. In the long run, if service frequencies were to expand I would expect the spare/shop ratio for Brightline to end up a bit below Amtrak's "standard" of about 20% due to the compact nature of the system...but these numbers are inherently sticky at the bottom end.I suspect they'll they'll get all 20 as smart coaches which would then mean they have 10 5+1 car sets.
they could also get 18 smart and 2 premium and have 9 5+1 sets. along with 3 spare smart and3 spare premium cars. That would mean the 10th set could then be a 2 car VIP train.
5 spares while it may seem like too many, it is not a crazy spare ratio. 25% for diesel locos in NA is the standards where as cars are typically 15-20%.
My best guess is that with a 10-car train, it would be 7 coach cars, 2 premium class cars, and the remaining car would either be a coach car or a cafe-coach car. Orlando-South Florida is long enough to probably support a second premium car.I believe it is 10 cars for the Miami, Ft Lauderdale, WPB, and Orlando (MCO airport) stations. Not sure about The Boca Raton and Aventura stations.
The number of Premium cars on a trainset would be driven by demand trends. If they fill up fast then I think Brightline would consider adding a second Premium class car.
Many thanks!Update based on new information from people I am in contact with. There will be 2 trainsets with 5 cars starting tomorrow in order to meet increased demand. The plan for the 20 additional cars is to equip the 10 trainsets with 6 cars each. Meaning that they will all be Smart class coaches. There will not be additional trainsets at this time beyond the 10 existing. There is and will remain only 1 spare Charger for the time being. The 4 listed in the bond memorandum are for previously delivered trainsets over the past year and do not indicate new deliveries.
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