Brightline/Virgin Trains (FEC) Update

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Railroad tracks have been installed on Orlando Airport property and news updated on Nrightline and other nearby project:

 

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Railroad tracks have been installed on Orlando Airport property and news updated on Nrightline and other nearby project:

At the end of the article, it says the track that has been laid to date is not for revenue service, but just between the station and the maintenance facility.

The article also says a section of track will be in a trench at surficial aquifer level. I wonder if flooding will delay reopening following tropical cyclones.
 

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At the end of the article, it says the track that has been laid to date is not for revenue service, but just between the station and the maintenance facility.

The article also says a section of track will be in a trench at surficial aquifer level. I wonder if flooding will delay reopening following tropical cyclones.
If Brightline does it correctly they will prove some kind of flood wall, gates, pumps etc to prevent that.
 

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If Brightline does it correctly they will prove some kind of flood wall, gates, pumps etc to prevent that.
Yeah, in this day and age, if built properly it should be a complete non-issue.
 

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Wonder if the Virgin bankruptcy will change the name of Brightline ? Virgin might have to sell the naming rights to a buyer by the bankruptcy court.
 

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It sounds like Virgin never paid Brightline even pre-pandemic.

I prefer the Brightline branding over Virgin Trains, so I'm not sad to see it go even though operationally they still referred to themselves as Brightline and the only mention of Virgin from a passenger perspective was at Virgin MiamiCentral.
 

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It sounds like Virgin never paid Brightline even pre-pandemic.
Why would Virgin pay Brightline for Brightline to use the Virgin brand? It is Brightline that used to pay Virgin a licensing fee to use the brand.

A Virgin Group subsidiary invested in Brightline something like 3% of the total investment capital of Brightline, and that happened when the deal closed. It is likely that Virgin Group still holds that asset. The deal also included certain restrictions on Brightline regarding what kinds of business it could enter into or not using the Virgin brand. That part of course has gone away as has the license fee payment since Brightline is not using the Virgin brand anymore.

Virgin Atlantic's bankruptcy tainted the brand thus breaking part of the conditions of the original branding agreement between the two companies. So Brightline terminated the deal last month when they learned about the forthcoming bankruptcy application. Virgin Atlantic needed to file for Chapter 15 bankruptcy as part of a restructuring deal in the UK to keep the company together through the pandemic.

Interestingly Brightline is unlikely to operate any commercial service until sometime next year possibly, after the new I-ETMS PTC system is installed and certified. At present Brightline FDC and FECR have no application for PTC approval in place with FRA. They withdrew their previous eATC based application. They have a contract with Wabtec to install I-ETMS as an overlay on their track circuit based signaling system.
 

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I was unsure if Virgin ever made the investment in Brightline after the IPO never happened.
Ah! Got it.
I don't think it should....Virgin Voyages would have represented a miniscule percentage of the total cruises from the port of Miami...
Or, from Port Canaveral, if they ever built to that...
Building anything to Port Canaveral is an extremely non-trivial and expensive exercise which is unlikely to come to pass in the foreseeable future. Any Port Canaveral access will most likely be via bus from the Cocoa-Rockledge station.
 

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Interestingly Brightline is unlikely to operate any commercial service until sometime next year possibly, after the new I-ETMS PTC system is installed and certified. At present Brightline FDC and FECR have no application for PTC approval in place with FRA. They withdrew their previous eATC based application. They have a contract with Wabtec to install I-ETMS as an overlay on their track circuit based signaling system.
Brightline must have very deep pockets if it can afford to wait that long without generating any revenue, all while maintaing costly assets, servicing loans, and while the clock is ticking on depreciation.

Retaining customers is also about retaining travelling habits, and the more you force them to look into alternative travel arrangements, the less likely they are to return when you need them.

If i was Brightline I would attempt to bring at least a skeletal service back asap, if only to retain vital customers and staff.
 

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Brightline must have very deep pockets if it can afford to wait that long without generating any revenue, all while maintaing costly assets, servicing loans, and while the clock is ticking on depreciation.

Retaining customers is also about retaining travelling habits, and the more you force them to look into alternative travel arrangements, the less likely they are to return when you need them.

If i was Brightline I would attempt to bring at least a skeletal service back asap, if only to retain vital customers and staff.
They cannot run passenger trains anymore until they have PTC, which they won't until early next year at the earliest. So the question is entirely moot.

I have actually wondered if it is costing them any more in their current state with no employees and no service, vs. hundreds of employees and skeletal service with few passengers.

We have always known that they have deep pockets to lay the groundwork for better development of their real estate business, which is what this is all about. They are a real estate company with a railroad attached, as far as their Florida operations are concerned.
 
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If i was Brightline I would attempt to bring at least a skeletal service back asap, if only to retain vital customers and staff.

43% of the Florida's Covid 19 cases are in the counties that currently Brightline serve. I wouldn't want to be the person approving to resume the service only for large amounts of my staff to catch it.

I think the person backing Brightline co-owns an NBA basketball team and one of the major European soccer clubs.
 

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We have always known that they have deep pockets to lay the groundwork for better development of their real estate business, which is what this is all about. They are a real estate company with a railroad attached, as far as their Florida operations are concerned.
Isn't that how Henry M. Flagler got started in Florida?:)
 

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Isn't that how Henry M. Flagler got started in Florida?:)
The old tradition continues in more ways than people realize. The name of the company now is Fortress Group, instead of FEC. FECI is a subsidiary of Fortress Group and Brightline is a subsidiary of FECI.

Notice that the deal was actually between Virgin Group and Fortress Group, and apparently Fortress pulled the plug.
 
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