Capitol Limited -vs- Lake Shore Limited

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winterskigirl

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So, I'm planning a trip from WAS to CHI and would like to know which route do you prefer and why?

Which route is better so far as scenery goes.

Any advantages or drawbacks on either route?

Please do share :cool:
 
The Cap ( Superliner equipment) from WAS to CHI has really nice scenery between WAS and Cumberland West Bound ( it gets dark after that). East bound is probably the better way to ride especially in the Summer because after Pittsburgh you have daylight all the way to Washington along rivers, hills, tunnels etc.

Taking a Regional or Acela from WAS means you'll get to go fast up the NEC

to NYP where you'll catch the Lakeshore up the Hudson River to Albany ) left side if train), get to experience the Switching with the Boston Section and then along the Mohawk Valley but it gets dark after Schenectady.

Coming East on the LSL ( single level Viewliner snd Amflret cars)its daylight from around Erie to past Albany but it starts getting dark on the way to NYP especially if the train is late!

Both trains share the same tracks from Cleveland to CHI, it gets light after Toledo so you'll see the Indiana farms and towns, South Bend and the urban Blight from Gary into Chicago ( brief glimpse of Lake Michigan on the right behind the Steel Mills and Casinos).

All things considered if you're going Roundtrip I'd do the Lake Shore West to CHI and the Cap East to Wahington!
 
Mr. Hudson nailed it. If it were me, and could only take one, it would be the LSL simply beause I prefer Viewliners over Superliners, especially if travelling solo.
 
Mr. Hudson nailed it. If it were me, and could only take one, it would be the LSL simply beause I prefer Viewliners over Superliners, especially if travelling solo.

##### Why do you prefer Viewliners, just curious? Thanx
 
Mr. Hudson nailed it. If it were me, and could only take one, it would be the LSL simply beause I prefer Viewliners over Superliners, especially if travelling solo. ##### Why do you prefer Viewliners, just curious? Thanx
When travelling solo I keep the chairs in daytime mode and sleep in the top bunk. I like the upper window and count me among the fans of an in roomette toilet. Not related to your question, but influencing my decision, I've ridden the CL much more than the LSL so also would choose the LSL for variety sake. I also haven't eaten in a Heritage diner since the steam heat days and when I rode the LSL last the 8400 was in the consist.
 
I prefer the Lake Shore for 2 reasons, I personally prefer single level equipment (just a preference, they each ride differently) and while the Capitol is poking along at 35 or so for most of the trip until past Cumberland the Lake Shore is speeding along the Hudson and even has some 110 mph running to give you a little ride!

Both offer nice river scenery leaving eastern terminals, and both follow the same route from Cleveland west into Chicago.
 
I've been on both routes. The other posters here are pretty spot-on with the pro's & cons. Generally speaking if your destination is WAS and not NYP, I think the Capitol Limited makes more logistical sense. Another thing not mentioned here is that your cell phone signal is actually far better on the Lakeshore Limited vs. the Capitol Limited for much of the route east of Cleveland because the Capitol Limited traverses some pretty remote areas between Pittsburgh & Washington, DC. The scenery is quite breathtaking though. Like others stated, the Hudson River run on the Lakeshore Limited is quite nice as well. Your cell phone signal will be much better on the Lakeshore Limited because the route primarily runs thru the cities of Upstate NY once it departs NYC or vice versa. Both routes are worth taking. It just depends on what you're looking for. Consider taking one route eastbound & the other westbound.
 
I prefer the Superliners over the Viewliners but that is just one opinion. Jim (Mr. Hudson) :) is correct about his evaluations of the directional advantages to the CL and LSL. But if you have never ridden the Capitol Ltd across Pennsylvania and Maryland, you should try it. Love the trips along the rivers and the mountain scenery. And put the cell phones away and enjoy the ride in quiet solitude.. :p
 
LSL is not direct route so I would do either CL or cardinal

M-f 84 departs WAS 11:02a arrives NYP 2:20p

Daily 49 departs NYP 3:40p arrives CHI 9:45a

29 departs WAS 4:05p arrives CHI 8:45a

Su,W,F 51 departs WAS 11:05a arrives chi 10:05a

48 departs CHI 9:30p arrives NYP 6:23p

NER 175 NYP 7:40p arrives was 11:05p

30 departs chi 6:40p arrives was 1:10p

Tu,th,Sa 50 departs chi 5:45p arrives was 6:00p

LAKE SHORE LIMITED Chicago, IL - New York, NY

CAPITAL LIMITED Chicago, IL - Washington, D.C.

CARDINAL Chicago, IL - Washington/New York, NY
 
48 departs CHI 9:30p arrives NYP 6:23p

NER 175 NYP 7:40p arrives was 11:05p
Looking at data for the last month, that would have misconnected 40% of the time. The web site appears to offer NER 187 (9:10p) as the guaranteed connection, and even then there's a 13% chance of getting to ride train 67.

The westbound connection is pretty reliable, though.
 
Is there any chance, if the LSL is early or on-time, that Amtrak would proactively allow you to go to the earlier train? (Or, if you asked, they could bump you to an earlier train without having to pay extra?)
Likely not, I tried, when the CL arrived on time in DC, to move up to an earlier train but had to pay high bucket fare. It was about $10.00 (WAS to RVR) so I went for it to get home 2 hours earlier. There was no proactive effort on Amtrak's part to offer an earlier train or retain the low bucket fare.
 
Pricing could be a factor. I recently went NYP to CHI to connect with SWC going to visit my sister in Arizona. Outbound I was LSL, but for the return trip, a bedroom on the CL was less than a roomette on the LSL. That doesn't even merit a coin flip! The folks in the club in WAS did change my ticket to allow me an earlier connection to NYP, but I guess that can vary based on loading and luck.
 
I'm travelling WAS to CHI in a couple of weeks and chose the Cardinal over the Capitol so that I could see some scenery as a lot of the Capitol's run will be in the dark.
 
I love the section between Pittsburgh and Cumberland, Md., where the Capitol Limited is away from any highways and just runs through the forest or through little hollows witha few ouses.
 
Is there any chance, if the LSL is early or on-time, that Amtrak would proactively allow you to go to the earlier train? (Or, if you asked, they could bump you to an earlier train without having to pay extra?)
I have caught an earlier train to BAL, other than what was ticketed. Just use your phone (notice I didn't use the word "cell") and call Amtrak as you near Penn Station.

However, don't do it TOO early, as you may only be a short distance from NYP, you can sit for a while. I had to call Amtrak back, after changing my rezzie, because after I did the first change, the LSL "sat" for a long enough time, that I would have missed my changed rezzie. Luckily NYP has frequent conx south.
 
Not sure what I'll do. You've all offered excellent pros & cons for both trains. I'm already taking the Cardinal CHI-WAS so just need to decide LSL or CL on return to CHI.
 
Not sure what I'll do. You've all offered excellent pros & cons for both trains. I'm already taking the Cardinal CHI-WAS so just need to decide LSL or CL on return to CHI.
If you have never rode the LSL, I want to fully endorse it. Going through Upstate New York is a little underappreciated, I think. Since you are already taking the Cardinal, I am not sure the Capitol Limited is really going to add that much more for you. If you have never been through Upstate NY: there is a lot to see, and you will understand why those of who live here will tell you New York State is far, far more then New York City. Through this ride, you will ride along the Erie Canal, see Destiny USA and the modernizations around Syracuse, older infrastructure in the Rochester area; the historic city of Albany and it's amazing skyline. Note that you don't really go through Buffalo well enough to see much there. Not to mention see a couple cities that have seen better days in Utica and Schenectady. Then, as an added bonus, you get the ride down the Hudson River to New York City.

I've been on the Capitol Limited, and its nice, but with you already doing the Cardinal, that ride isn't going to offer up much more that's new then Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is nice and all, but with a choice between that and Upstate NY, take Upstate NY if you're intention is to have a memorable sightseeing trip that you remember forever. It will be worth its additional cost.
 
Yeah but it's dark headed west, except for the Hudson.
You are correct. This is what I get for posting before I drink my morning coffee. I misread the OP's post as taking this route from CHI, and not to CHI. Sorry, but I'll leave the post up for anyone else consider these routes, the other way!
 
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