CPKC and Amtrak. A possibility?

Help Support Amtrak Unlimited Discussion Forum:

me_little_me

Engineer
AU Lifetime Supporter
Joined
Jul 16, 2010
Messages
4,795
I was looking at the latest Trains Magazine article on the KCS and CP merger. What if, as part of its approval process of the CP and KCS merger, the STB required that the new company provide Amtrak with access to run trains between Meridian and Dallas and NOL and Dallas?

The Crescent w/o having to fight NS for a new train, could have two components with sleepers and coach continuing from Meridian to Dallas with one sleeper and coach going to NOL. This would provide continuous single train service between NYC and NOL or Dallas while helping Amtrak justify the sleepers after Atlanta because now there is little use of them beyond Atlanta.

Possibly the NOL to Dallas could be used to extend the proposed NOL to Mobile route.
 

Just-Thinking-51

Very bored and cranky pundit
AU Lifetime Supporter
AU Supporter
Joined
Sep 17, 2009
Messages
2,410
Location
USA
No, the STB has a history not given train access to players not already involved.
 

Just-Thinking-51

Very bored and cranky pundit
AU Lifetime Supporter
AU Supporter
Joined
Sep 17, 2009
Messages
2,410
Location
USA
CP and Amtrak already work together on other routes, and traditionally CP finishes at the top of Amtrak's "report card". The basis for conversation certainly exists.
Great reason for them to negotiate a train access scheme. Not for the STB to grant them one.
 

George Harris

Engineer
Joined
Apr 6, 2006
Messages
5,228
Location
finally! Back in Mississippi
This could be an interesting court or arbitration case. The outcome would not be a foregone conclusion. A Meridian - Shreveport train could be faster than the old ICRR train, as the line now has signals. However, if a faster speed were to be used, ALL the grade crossing signal circuits would have to be lengthened, and you better bet that would be an Amtrak cost, not a KCS/CP cost.

At one time in the past there was a proposed New Orleans - Baton Rouge train and KCS was most emphatically against it, so I would not expect them to be cooperative about a Meridian - Shreveport train, and then how do you get from there to Dallas? UP?
 

west point

Engineer
Joined
Jun 9, 2015
Messages
3,005
Location
SW ATL airport
Since many of the crossing circuits have been installed in the last 10 - 15 years they may already have predictor circuits instead of fixed distance approach circuits ?
 

me_little_me

Engineer
AU Lifetime Supporter
Joined
Jul 16, 2010
Messages
4,795
If the government can approve mergers with stipulations that require divestitures of some properties then surely they can pressure CPKC to be nice to Amtrak since the merger would mean "less competition for Amtrak's business".
 

neroden

Engineer
Joined
Feb 23, 2014
Messages
9,180
Location
Ithaca, NY
I was looking at the latest Trains Magazine article on the KCS and CP merger. What if, as part of its approval process of the CP and KCS merger, the STB required that the new company provide Amtrak with access to run trains between Meridian and Dallas and NOL and Dallas?
The focus by passenger rail advocates on getting concessions from this deal has actually been on Baton Rouge to NOL (where KCS is the preferred route)
 

neroden

Engineer
Joined
Feb 23, 2014
Messages
9,180
Location
Ithaca, NY
Since many of the crossing circuits have been installed in the last 10 - 15 years they may already have predictor circuits instead of fixed distance approach circuits ?
I would expect so. Fixed warning time signals for grade crossings are pretty nearly standard for new installs or replacements at this point.
 
Joined
Dec 4, 2021
Messages
3
Location
United States

cassie225

Lead Service Attendant
Joined
May 30, 2012
Messages
344
Location
Louisiana
I live in Baton Rouge and hope that this passenger service goes thru, that drive on the interstate is getting vicious, I would take this train to NO often and it also is gonna stop at the airport, it would really improve tourism for NO because hotels in BR could be used also. Just holding my breathe
 

jis

Chief Dispatcher
Staff member
Administator
Moderator
AU Lifetime Supporter
Gathering Team Member
Joined
Aug 24, 2003
Messages
30,352
Location
Space Coast, Florida, Area code 3-2-1

jis

Chief Dispatcher
Staff member
Administator
Moderator
AU Lifetime Supporter
Gathering Team Member
Joined
Aug 24, 2003
Messages
30,352
Location
Space Coast, Florida, Area code 3-2-1
Joined
Dec 4, 2021
Messages
3
Location
United States
The merger managed to get Amtrak's blessings for now.
 

cassie225

Lead Service Attendant
Joined
May 30, 2012
Messages
344
Location
Louisiana
So is this really a possibility, they always play with emotions on doing trains to different areas then say nope, ain’t gonna happen. Lol
 

jis

Chief Dispatcher
Staff member
Administator
Moderator
AU Lifetime Supporter
Gathering Team Member
Joined
Aug 24, 2003
Messages
30,352
Location
Space Coast, Florida, Area code 3-2-1
So is this really a possibility, they always play with emotions on doing trains to different areas then say nope, ain’t gonna happen. Lol
If one believes the frequent posture of the current Amtrak CEO, this will happen only if Texas and or the other states it will pass through funds it or Congress appropriates fund with a clear instruction that a three year old can understand instructing its introduction. Not otherwise. 🤷‍♂️
 

neroden

Engineer
Joined
Feb 23, 2014
Messages
9,180
Location
Ithaca, NY
If one believes the frequent posture of the current Amtrak CEO, this will happen only if Texas and or the other states it will pass through funds it or Congress appropriates fund with a clear instruction that a three year old can understand instructing its introduction. Not otherwise. 🤷‍♂️
The current Amtrak CEO is not particularly competent. Once the new Board gets in place, we shall see who they hire. Have to get the new Board mandated by the most recent legislation in place, though, as the existing Board are seatwarmers.
 
Top