East / West through train

[railiner]

The Chief and the Super Chief carried thru sleeper's at different times, and from different roads....
In the East, the New York Central, Pennsylvania, and Baltimore and Ohio carried various thru sleepers with various 'western' roads.
I don't believe the Jersey Central ever participated in any of this. You need to peruse some old Official Railway Guides to fully research this, or maybe find some info here...

The Super Chief - July, 1956 - Streamliner Schedules

July 1956 timetable for the Super Chief passenger train at Streamliner Schedules.

www.streamlinerschedules.com

 

[Willbridge]

I pulled put a 1951 CB&Q schedule and was reminded that the cars through Chicago were a novelty even when there was still a fair amount of business travel in sleepers. The CB&Q had a single transcon sleeper line running in the California Zephyr, and east of Chicago it alternated even and odd days of the week via the Pennsy and the New York Central. There were more potential customers then who might have understood the pros and cons of all that, but not enough of them.

And you could hope that your friend in Manhattan knew which station to meet you at. I've spent enough time behind ticket counters to know how hard it is to explain something that tricky.

My understanding of this short-lived phenomenon is that it was a grudging reaction to Robert R. Young's quote that "a hog can cross the country without changing trains -- but you can't."

Robert R. Young - C&O > NYC

 

[MARC Rider]

Hey, what about Supertrain?

 

[Palmland]

The Chief and the Super Chief carried thru sleeper's at different times, and from different roads....
In the East, the New York Central, Pennsylvania, and Baltimore and Ohio carried various thru sleepers with various 'western' roads.
I don't believe the Jersey Central ever participated in any of this. You need to peruse some old Official Railway Guides to fully research this, or maybe find some info here...

The Super Chief - July, 1956 - Streamliner Schedules

July 1956 timetable for the Super Chief passenger train at Streamliner Schedules.

www.streamlinerschedules.com

According to my 1954 OGR, the PRR had two daily sleepers to LA. One was via the UP City of Los Angeles and the other on the Super Chief, The NYC
had the same two a day service to LA on those trains.

The NYC and PRR also both had a one a day sleeper to San Francisco. Each road alternated each day between routing via UP- San Francisco Overland and the CZ.

The B&O had daily service from Washington via the Super Chief. That makes a total of 7 sleepers through Chicago each day to the west coast.

My first trip to New York as a kid was on the B&O. All B&O trains operated on a Reading/CNJ routing from Philadelpia to Jersey City. Then connecting buses provided the transfer via ferry to different parts of Manhattan. Not speedy, but certainly pleasant. The west coast and Texas sleepers all originated in Washington. Tough to compete with the PRR and NYC. The Jersey City terminal has been renovated and as part of Liberty State Park with a small ferry to Manhattan. Sadly, tracks are no where to be seen.

Liberty State Park

 

[bms]

According to my 1954 OGR, the PRR had two daily sleepers to LA. One was via the UP City of Los Angeles and the other on the Super Chief, The NYC
had the same two a day service to LA on those trains.

The NYC and PRR also both had a one a day sleeper to San Francisco. Each road alternated each day between routing via UP- San Francisco Overland and the CZ.

The B&O had daily service from Washington via the Super Chief. That makes a total of 7 sleepers through Chicago each day to the west coast.

My first trip to New York as a kid was on the B&O. All B&O trains operated on a Reading/CNJ routing from Philadelpia to Jersey City. Then connecting buses provided the transfer via ferry to different parts of Manhattan. Not speedy, but certainly pleasant. The west coast and Texas sleepers all originated in Washington. Tough to compete with the PRR and NYC. The Jersey City terminal has been renovated and as part of Liberty State Park with a small ferry to Manhattan. Sadly, tracks are no where to be seen.

Liberty State Park

Did any of those through sleepers depart from the same Chicago station where they arrived? I'm guessing most of them had to be moved to a different station in the city.

 

[railiner]

Did any of those through sleepers depart from the same Chicago station where they arrived? I'm guessing most of them had to be moved to a different station in the city.

The PRR and Burlington shared Union Station...so the CZ sleeper didn't have to change stations on the days it ran on PRR...

 

[Palmland]

The PRR and Burlington shared Union Station...so the CZ sleeper didn't have to change stations on the days it ran on PRR...

And starting one year later, in 1955, the UP started using the Milwaukee Road into Union Station for their Chicago connection. Prior to that it was the C&NW station.

Can you imagine Amtrak making all those switch moves? I wonder if many through passengers went into the city for lunch and returned to their arrival station to find their sleeper was gone. Probably most did the Parmelee Transfer first!

 

[railiner]

And starting one year later, in 1955, the UP started using the Milwaukee Road into Union Station for their Chicago connection. Prior to that it was the C&NW station.

Can you imagine Amtrak making all those switch moves? I wonder if many through passengers went into the city for lunch and returned to their arrival station to find their sleeper was gone. Probably most did the Parmelee Transfer first!

I wasn’t sure if they were still running the thru sleepers when the “City” fleet switched from the North Western to the Milwaukee...

 

[Palmland]

Good point, railliner. It looks like 1957 was the last year for west coast and southwest through sleepers. I remember we took my father to the airport for an overseas flight and I saw my first 707 a year or two later. Things went downhill fast from there.

 

[railiner]

Good point, railliner. It looks like 1957 was the last year for west coast and southwest through sleepers. I remember we took my father to the airport for an overseas flight and I saw my first 707 a year or two later. Things went downhill fast from there.

1957? So then there must have been a year or two of the thru sleepers between the PRR and Milwaukee at Union Station..

 

[Palmland]

1957? So then there must have been a year or two of the thru sleepers between the PRR and Milwaukee at Union Station..

And the answer is........

It is remarkable that as late as '57 all seven were still operating, two to the City of LA, three to the Super Chief, one to the City of SF, one to CZ (not shown). But that was the end.

That same OGR also lists airlines. American had two non stop, New York to LA named the Royal Coachman on their 'DC-7 Flagship'. The morning flight left at 9 am and arrived at 3:15 pst with a fare of $99. Believe I'll stick with the Broadway and Super Chief.

 

[jiml]

I love the history lessons!

 

[railiner]

Having an OGR from the streamliner era is a real educational experience...if anyone doesn't have at least one, I would strongly recommend searching the internet (ebay?) for a copy....

 

[jis]

What I find somewhat illustrative is that even in the heyday of train travel there were less than a dozen through cars running coast to coast. Compare that with what amounts to an armada of non stop flights operating coast to coast. Trains really shine for serving the little towns and villages en route better, but cannot generally complete with planes on end to end LD travel. Somehow those that keep trying to diss trains quoting end to end numbers need to change their thinking and paradigm to make much sense.

 

[jiml]

Having an OGR from the streamliner era is a real educational experience...if anyone doesn't have at least one, I would strongly recommend searching the internet (ebay?) for a copy....

Hard to find in both good condition and at a reasonable price. There's a reason they bring top dollar at hobbyist shows.

 

[sttom]

It also must be said that the price of travel prior to the Jet Age was significantly more expensive, relatively speaking, than it is now. Taking the train cross country in a berth would run you the equivalent of $1600 round trip in a tourist berth with a "discounted" coach rate to Chicago and a flight would cost the equivalent of $4000 in 1940/late 30s prices. And a good wage for a person was $28,000 after inflation. A discounted fare would run the average person 6% of their income and 2 days travel each way. Now a days, I can fly from Oakland to New Jersey for ~$600 or about 1.5% of my annual income (pre COVID at least) and the flights combined are less than a day all together. So not only is travel far faster than it used to be, it is also far more accessible, financially at least, to more people than it used to be.

 

[Dakota 400]

I love the history lessons!

I do as well. When's the quiz, Professors?