Ethan Allen schedule change

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Amtrak25

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Addison County held an Amtrak Information Meeting today via Zoom and in response to a question about transit connections they said that they have been talking to the transit agencies like GMT in Burlington to have onward connections available. Further details will be provided at a later point and they highlighted that they can't make any promises for the Sunday night arrival, but that on other days there should still be bus service available for arriving passengers.

Does that also hold true for Essex Jct, which is 8:18pm ? While there are Route #2 buses at 8:35pm, 9:50pm and 11:05pm, the last Sunday bus is 7:10pm. There is Days Inn Colchester along the way.

The last #6 Monday - Saturday bus to South Burlington is 10:30pm for somewhat cheaper lodging. If Amtrak is a half hour late, then what ?

Now if only GMT and Clinton County buses could coordinate some way to get between Burlington and Plattsburgh via Grand Isle ferry. Port Kent is no longer a way to go.
 
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Yeah, that's the next question. Even if they provide bus services that late for arriving passengers, how will it be handled if the train is late? Also wonder if there will be a convenient solution to get from the station to the Downtown Transit Center.
 

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Does that also hold true for Essex Jct, which is 8:40pm
The northbound Vermonter arrives in Essex Junction at 8:18pm.

Also wonder if there will be a convenient solution to get from the station to the Downtown Transit Center.
Union Station in Burlington is 3 blocks away from the Downtown Transit Center.

Now if only GMT and Clinton County buses could coordinate some way to get between Burlington and Plattsburgh via Grand Isle ferry. Port Kent is no longer a way to go.
The Port Kent ferry suspension is entirely a private company matter. While it should be run as a region, at the moment GMT is a Vermont agency. I don't think Vermonters would be too happy about their buses running to New York.

Burlington has a semi-decent amount of service for the region and density it's located in. Essex Junction has always been an issue.
 

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The northbound Vermonter arrives in Essex Junction at 8:18pm.

Union Station in Burlington is 3 blocks away from the Downtown Transit Center.

People won't walk 3 blocks after 10pm to a city bus terminal. GMT needs to serve Union Station at train time.

The Port Kent ferry suspension is entirely a private company matter. While it should be run as a region, at the moment GMT is a Vermont agency. I don't think Vermonters would be too happy about their buses running to New York.

Gand Isle is in Vermont; the Ferry is what goes to NY State. That's why I mentioned the Clinton County system to get them on the NY side into town. Washington State ferries and county buses are pretty well coordinated this way. It is a busy ferry crossing with 12 minute frequencies.

Burlington has a semi-decent amount of service for the region and density it's located in. Essex Junction has always been an issue.

I think GMT needs to think of regional use beyond 9 - 5 clock-punchers.
 
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Union Station in Burlington is 3 blocks away from the Downtown Transit Center.
It's a 10-15 minute walk uphill. I agree with Amtrak25, the station needs to be either served by a shuttle bus to the Transit Center or one or more of the lines start there, otherwise there's not much point in additional bus services for arriving Amtrak passengers, especially in winter.
 

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Goes to show lack of thought to first mile / last mile for the passenger.

The last GMT bus at about 1030pm, like Route 6 to South Burlington, needs to head to Union Station and wait however long for a late train.

I for one still plan to take VT Translines arriving at 6pm, Ethan Allen or not, to avoid this nonsense. Essex Jct has late buses, but risk standing around there up to an hour waiting for one as it runs into the night every 75 minutes. Don't arrive on a Sunday. Be nice if there were a couple of B&B's within walking distance.
 
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Goes to show lack of thought to first mile / last mile for the passenger.
In a small city like Burlington, the first mile/last mile is handled by either the passenger parking their car at the station or the passenger getting picked up/dropped off by family, a friend, or taxi/ride share. Heck, even in a large city like Baltimore with a light rail right in the station and bus stops right at the door, I almost always drive and park, or use a taxi/ride share. Amtrak should have no problem with attracting passengers in Burlington under those conditions. If the local people there want to have better transit connections to the Amtrak Station, that's really their responsibility.

And if you think that's bad, there are some Amtrak stations, like Huntingdon, PA, that don't even have taxi service in the area, let alone buses.
 
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If they want tourists to come, they should think out of the box, and not all are willing to head to a downtown hotel for $400 a night. They must think they're Boston. Montreal is cheaper.
When we did the Adirondack train and ferry bit, we called a taxi from the ferry dock, had them take us to the airport and rented a car. Then we stayed at a hotel on the outskirts of the city that was considerably cheaper. On our way home, we did the reverse, except the taxi took us to Essex Junction and the Vermonter.

However, I am indeed mystified at the phenomenon of attractive small New England cities having crazy-expensive hotel rates. Portland Maine is like this, too. In fact, hotels in downtown Portland are more expensive than hotels in downtown Boston. I know, as I'm staying in Boston a couple of nights this summer. We're having our daughter fly into Manchester, NH, in fact, because the hotel prices in Portland, even out by the airport and highway, are nuts. But the hotel prices the rest of the year are more reasonable. The moral of the story seems to be is "don't travel in the summer."
 

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Need frequent public transportation (there's nothing) to and from Plattsbugh using that ferry to shuttle back and forth. They choose not to rip off tourists. Even St Albans hotel rates are ridiculous and there's nothing there.

Funny, looking up station codes for Burlington, VT, Port Kent comes up, Union Station does not, even though Port Kent hasn't had a train since the beginning of the pandemic, and never will again because that ferry is kaput.
 

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I am trying to book the new train to Burlington for October but it doesn't show up. I thought service was going to start at there end of July.
 
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