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John Bobinyec

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Before covid, how much was the lower level of Grand Central Terminal used? What was it used for? Is it as busy as the upper level?

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The concourse has long been converted into a food court. The tracks are used for peak hour commuter trains. When long haul trains ran out of GCT, they mostly used upper level tracks...
 

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What is the status of the new lower.....lower level (new LIRR Concourse) at GCT. Seems it's been under construction for years!
 

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What is the status of the new lower.....lower level (new LIRR Concourse) at GCT. Seems it's been under construction for years!
December 2022 is now the expected in service date...


The concourse has long been converted into a food court. The tracks are used for peak hour commuter trains. When long haul trains ran out of GCT, they mostly used upper level tracks...
I have seen the lower level tracks used on weekends too, as recently as 2019 before COVID.

Barring a few exceptions, LD trains generally used the tracks near the edge of the upper level, mainly because that is where the turning loops are (were) accessible from.
 

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What is the status of the new lower.....lower level (new LIRR Concourse) at GCT. Seems it's been under construction for years!
To me, one of the flaws of its design, was not providing some means of a connection between LIRR and MNCR lines. The extreme difference in elevation, made it too difficult...
 

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To me, one of the flaws of its design, was not providing some means of a connection between LIRR and MNCR lines. Population on Long Island was far, far smaller than today. The extreme difference in elevation, made it too difficult...
The reason is obvious: New York Central built GCT and Pennsylvania built Penn station and owned the LIRR. Considering that both were built more than 100 years ago, the competition between those railroads could only be called 'the fiercest'.
 

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The reason is obvious: New York Central built GCT and Pennsylvania built Penn station and owned the LIRR. Considering that both were built more than 100 years ago, the competition between those railroads could only be called 'the fiercest'.
That may be true, but really doesn't have any bearing on this discussion, about the modern day LIRR expansion plan.
 

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Due to the East Side Access project, are the number of tracks on the lower level of Grand Central Terminal being reduced? Perhaps for the LIRR concourse?

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It would have been nice if there was at least an elevator from each of the 2 levels of LIRR to intercept a MNRR platform. However it probably would have taken an enterprise turbo lift ?
 
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