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DonNewcomb

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There has been another collision between a test train and a vehicle. This was at Mobile on Wednesday. Worse, this time there was a fatality in the car. Looks like the car burst into flame upon impact.

When you look at this crossing on Google Maps, it's absolutely astounding that this could occur. Drivers can see the train for at least a mile in either direction. I wonder if they will find something in the victim's blood that shouldn't have been there?
 
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When you look at this crossing on Google Maps, it's absolutely astounding that this could occur. Drivers can see the train for at least a mile in either direction. I wonder if they will find something in the victim's blood that shouldn't have been there?
Witnesses say he drove around the gate trying to beat the train. I'm wondering whether the train was traveling at 89 79 mph, or at least significantly faster than the freights that go thru there. The driver may have gambled with freights in the past and won, but met his match in Amtrak.
 
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Anybody; anybody who tries to beat a train by going around gates that are flashing red lights - gates are DOWN, but they attempt to go around them - deserve what they get. Morons. I don't get it; how many times does it have to be said, how many times featured on news stories complete with tragic consequence videos as it happens. Trains can't stop in time to save your stupid self. And yet, there are still idiot truck drivers, and morons going around crossing gates. No sympathy here, sorry.
 

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Tried to book from Gulfport (GPT) to NOL various dates to early October, no joy. I assume management hasn't decided on a start date. So won't allow the potential schedule to be accessed. I guess the passenger speed signaling and track upgrades are still in process. Haven't heard if the test/training runs are still being made.
 

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Tried to book from Gulfport (GPT) to NOL various dates to early October, no joy. I assume management hasn't decided on a start date. So won't allow the potential schedule to be accessed. I guess the passenger speed signaling and track upgrades are still in process. Haven't heard if the test/training runs are still being made.
It's Amtrak, so it may be 2024 before you can Book a ticket to ride on an actual Revenue Train!
 
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Lessons from SunRail: Drivers are surprised when a passenger rail is active at 'their' crossing. Rail crossings need the strongest possible markings, signals and quad gates especially when new passenger service begins. There's federal rail safety money to do that. The local DOT needs to get busy.
 
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Lessons from SunRail: Drivers are surprised when a passenger rail is active at 'their' crossing. Rail crossings need the strongest possible markings, signals and quad gates especially when new passenger service begins. There's federal rail safety money to do that. The local DOT needs to get busy.
Yeah, it's up to the local governments to request the funds. Haven't heard of anyone implementing quad gates where it wasn't part of a "Quiet Zone" implementation, though.

Had s similar situation here, where what had been a 10 mph freight line with infrequent movements was turned into a 79 mph passenger mainline with 12 scheduled trains a day (the Point Defiance Cutoff). The city, Lakewood, elected to sue to stop it or reduce train speeds. They lost. They didn't put in quad gates, though. I guess they thought lawyers were a better safety appliance.
 

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Any word yet if Amtrak Thruway Motorcoach service will operate from the train's eastern terminus?

Thruway service shuttling passengers to/from Florida points could be a game changer for this new line.
 
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Just looking around the FDOT and local north Florida planning groups, It's hard to find anything that shows the planners are even discussing passenger rail resumption across N. Florida. Nothing specific about passenger rail in the FDOT long range plan. Nothing in the Tallahassee TPO, communter only in JAX. Hello! is anybody home?
 

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Had s similar situation here, where what had been a 10 mph freight line with infrequent movements was turned into a 79 mph passenger mainline with 12 scheduled trains a day (the Point Defiance Cutoff). The city, Lakewood, elected to sue to stop it or reduce train speeds. They lost. They didn't put in quad gates, though. I guess they thought lawyers were a better safety appliance.
Been tried before in other places. For many years there were train speed restrictions in numerous urban areas. Many were in areas where speeds would be low anyway, but some were very onerous. Generally the railroads tolerated them partly trying to be a good neighbor, and partly because they realized that there were numerous other areas that the various government entities could use to aggravate the situation. Finally, and I think it was in California one of the railroad companies took it to the Federal Courts and local speed limits were determined to be an interference with interstate commerce and therefore unconstitutional.
 
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Any word yet if Amtrak Thruway Motorcoach service will operate from the train's eastern terminus?

Thruway service shuttling passengers to/from Florida points could be a game changer for this new line.
Why would that be the case? I suspect that the passenger demand analysis they did shows that there's sufficient demand between New Orleans and Mobile to justify the service. I could see that a connecting bus to Pensacola might be useful, but it's not critical to the success of this corridor. As for longer trips, I can't see how taking a bus from Jacksonville to Mobile, then transferring to the train would be competitive with just taking a through bus all the way from Jacksonville. And given the condition of the tracks east of Mobile, a New-Orleans-Jacksonville through train would be so much slower than a bus that it wouldn't be competitive at all.
 

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Just looking around the FDOT and local north Florida planning groups, It's hard to find anything that shows the planners are even discussing passenger rail resumption across N. Florida. Nothing specific about passenger rail in the FDOT long range plan. Nothing in the Tallahassee TPO, communter only in JAX. Hello! is anybody home?
I don’t know how many times we have to mention this, but NOL-JAX is at best on the back burner. It is in the long range plan of the Southern Rail Commission. But there is absolutely no project actively working on it. There are higher priority things to work on in Florida.
 

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Been tried before in other places. For many years there were train speed restrictions in numerous urban areas. Many were in areas where speeds would be low anyway, but some were very onerous. Generally the railroads tolerated them partly trying to be a good neighbor, and partly because they realized that there were numerous other areas that the various government entities could use to aggravate the situation. Finally, and I think it was in California one of the railroad companies took it to the Federal Courts and local speed limits were determined to be an interference with interstate commerce and therefore unconstitutional.
It was the opinion of OPUC officials when I worked for Oregon DOT that extreme train speed restrictions just encouraged motorists to try and beat trains.
 

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Yeah, it's up to the local governments to request the funds. Haven't heard of anyone implementing quad gates where it wasn't part of a "Quiet Zone" implementation, though.

Had s similar situation here, where what had been a 10 mph freight line with infrequent movements was turned into a 79 mph passenger mainline with 12 scheduled trains a day (the Point Defiance Cutoff). The city, Lakewood, elected to sue to stop it or reduce train speeds. They lost. They didn't put in quad gates, though. I guess they thought lawyers were a better safety appliance.
NC has a good many crossings with quad gates and are not quiet zones. Downtown Greensboro, NC just west of the Amtrak station on Elm street is one example. Easy to see on Google Street view.
 
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