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cirdan

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The article says "The company determined that a second passenger train could be supported with the construction of new mainline track, passing sidings, switches and other infrastructure. It doesn't say how much or where. But I think depending on what is being done, the price tag is not outrageous.


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Had David Gunn not foolishly gotten rid of the Three Rivers 18 years ago, this $200 million would not have been expended, which is basically a capital subsidy to the Hedge Fund called NS to support their PSR nonsense that is clogging up the railroad.

The lack of a decent connection nor thru cars between a NY-PGH train and the Capitol Ltd has put the Capitol Ltd on its death bed. Of all the PIP's this one was operating budget nuetral.

Anderson/Gardner removed that PIP from the website, and Congress let that PRIIA section slide into oblivion. NARPdbaRPA never once brought that issue up, only incessant nagging of a daily Cardinal, which got no traction.

Now Amtrak is procuring Airo trainsets that are not compatible with the existing LD fleet nor its proposed replacement with train sets. I do not expect the Capitol Ltd to live long enough to see either.
 
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That's the rub: the commuting patterns in the Pittsburgh region don't really fit the existing tracks. Employment is broadly distributed, with downtown only accounting for a small portion of the workforce. Aside from the 28 corridor up the Allegheny, the main commuter trunks don't match up with existing tracks for the portion of the region that actually goes downtown for work. There's no duplicate for the traffic down 279.
Sad but true. Especially because Oakland, a huge employment center with its cluster of hospitals and universities and tech, is served by bus not rail. Bus service is good but could be much better. The fast, limited-stop East Busway barely brushes the edge of Oakland (though it's terrific for "dahntahn" and Shadyside and East Liberty and Wilkinsburg), and the regular buses seemingly stop every few feet and take forever. I don't know the status of the bus rapid transit (BRT) lanes that are perennially proposed but seemingly never built between Oakland and downtown. Oh, what a mistake Pittsburgh and many other cities made in ripping up streetcar lines.

"[A]t Forbes Field, already the National League's oldest ballpark in 1960, there were no such things s luxury or loge boxes - just boxes, reserved, general admission, and bleachers. Nor were there ads on the field's ivy-covered red-brick walls, exploding scoreboards, or any major street signs telling you how to get there. No need - people knew where Forbes Field was and generally arrived by streetcar, bus, or on foot, since parking was limited." (Jim Reisler, The Best Game Ever: Pirates vs. Yankees, October 13, 1960)

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I don't know the status of the bus rapid transit (BRT) lanes that are perennially proposed but seemingly never built between Oakland and downtown.
It is under construction.

PRT’s University Line Construction to Begin September 13
 

Stremba

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Looks like it’s now official; there will be two Pennsylvanian departures each direction. Per the article departures from PGH would be at 7AM and 12:30 PM. Arrivals in PGH would be at 3PM and 10 PM. Assuming similar timetables to the current one, that would imply NYP departures at 6AM and 1PM and NYP arrivals at 4PM and 9:30PM.

Not sure what the timeframe is for the new service to start. The article did not mention any planned start dates.
 
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It's not quite what we had prior to 1985. Nobody headed west of Harrisburg is going to catch a train out of NY at 6am. They used to leave at around 730am and 130pm. This will handle weekday commuter business to Philly, turnover ridership to commuters to Harrisburg, and take passengers from Phily headed to west of Harrisburg. If the Capitol Ltd survives to see this, the Pittsburgh connection at 7am will often not be made.
 

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Fair enough, but I think the connection situation will still be an improvement over the status quo in this scenario: PGH transfers to PHL, NYP, TRE, and NWK should still be accommodated via the next available NER at WAS. PGH transfers to East of HAR will save considerable time waiting for the next train. PGH transfers West of HAR will be able to get home the same day on a train, which is currently impossible. It currently doesn’t seem to be much of a problem. There are 4 occasions in the last 90 days where the Cap would have missed the new Pennsylvanian, but not the old. One of those was by 4 minutes and likely would have caused a hold. I think it’s a good trade off.
 

JamesWhitcombRiley

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Looks like it’s now official; there will be two Pennsylvanian departures each direction. Per the article departures from PGH would be at 7AM and 12:30 PM. Arrivals in PGH would be at 3PM and 10 PM. Assuming similar timetables to the current one, that would imply NYP departures at 6AM and 1PM and NYP arrivals at 4PM and 9:30PM.

Not sure what the timeframe is for the new service to start. The article did not mention any planned start dates.
Year 2026 for "completion." Mass Transit Magazine
 
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