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joelkfla

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Why are you saying that? Amtrak is cutting service right now and Brightline is constructing track. There’s like 1% possibility in my book.
Because the subject of this thread is the future corridor proposal, which included JAX-ORL-TPA.

Brightline has not started construction between ORL & TPA. There was an article in the Tampa Bay Business Journal (which I can't read because it's behind a paywall) that reportedly said construction on that leg would not start before 2022, and that earliest commencement of service would be 2025.
 

crescent-zephyr

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Because the subject of this thread is the future corridor proposal, which included JAX-ORL-TPA.

Brightline has not started construction between ORL & TPA. There was an article in the Tampa Bay Business Journal (which I can't read because it's behind a paywall) that reportedly said construction on that leg would not start before 2022, and that earliest commencement of service would be 2025.
Yeah how soon do you think Amtrak would start service?

And brightline is constructing track on the Orlando segment, Tampa is the next segment. So they are constructing track.

And honestly, sunrail should operate the Tampa line anyways.
 
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joelkfla

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Yeah how soon do you think Amtrak would start service?
I have no idea. That's why I said "if Amtrak moves quickly".
And brightline is constructing track on the Orlando segment, Tampa is the next segment. So they are constructing track.
The Orlando extension is a done deal. Tampa is still in the planning & negotiations stage. AFAIK, no ROW has been acquired (except a lease agreement on I-4 median), and they haven't settled on station locations, or even the complete final route.
And honestly, sunrail should operate the Tampa line anyways.
Sure, but SunRail is locally funded. They haven't even figured out how to fund operations on the existing route when the start-up funding by the state runs out next year. And both Polk and Hillsborough counties would need to buy in and share the expenses. And I think the existing counties would all have to agree on the extension. Volusia County is already fighting an MCO extension, and is even dragging its feet on the DeLand extension in their own county.
 

cuppb001

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I live in Valdosta and not to be there bearer of bad news but any talk of a ATL-Macon-Valdosta-Jax train is not physically feasible. Norfolk Southern has the primary direct route and to say that route is congested with freight already is an understatement. Single track main, 30 minutes between freights and a small yard in Valdosta to hold up traffic even more.
 

Willbridge

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In Southern California they're would be and probably would in Florida. Los Angeles to San Bernardino to Victorville is a fairly busy trip in its own right. I've met people that lived in the Victorville area and commuted into San Bernardino because housing was cheaper. Vegas would also need the capacity since I-5 is a 2 lane highway for a good chunk of the way to Vegas and that includes people whole would be coming from in between LA and San Bernardino.
What interests me about LAX<>LVS is that some photos of the vacant UP station site I have on flickr.com are among my most viewed. Different angles of abandoned and empty space are hard to turn into great art so I suspect the hits are coming from people who think that it'd be a good idea to send a passenger train there.

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Have you traveled on I-4 between Tampa and Orlando? They keep having to expand the number of lanes and it is still crowded. There are enough people going between Orlando and Tampa on a daily basis that Amtrak and Brightline would not exhaust the market - only improve it once people realized that trains ran that often as long as they have adequate parking at the stations.
My brother arranged a trip on I-4 in the opposite direction of peak traffic just so I could see it. It was the first time I've seen multiple men getting out of their halted cars to urinate in the bushless highway median. It certainly helped me understand how irresponsible Florida elected officials are to tolerate the situation. If they can't come up with a civilized rail alternative at least they could plant some bushes. ;)
 
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