Sumitomo and Siemens Caltrans/IDOT Venture order (2012-2023)

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PerRock

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More great news! First my (adopted state) Cardinal gets a VL2 sleeper, and then my (native state) Wolverine gets a new Siemens train set!

No business class though yet, right?

The Wolverine is running a coach car for Business class. The current consist is: Charger, Venture, AmCafe, Venture x4, Charger.

Here is a picture I took of it on it's inaugural run.

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I agree. My previous Blackberry and current Samsung have magnetized cases and don't seem to have any problems.

Laptop hard drivers are the same old tech theyve always been that can be destroyed by magnets easily. Cell phones have never used those.
 

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From what I've read in recent posts on this thread, it sounds like at least one trainset (with the exception of the Business Class/Café cars, which aren't available yet) on the Lincoln Service and Wolverine routes, are now using Venture rolling stock. I have a few questions about the Venture cars' current and future deployment. Do all the trainsets on the Lincoln Service and Wolverine routes now use Venture rolling stock? What is the current status of the Business Class/Café Venture cars? When is delivery and deployment of those types of venture cars expected to happen?
 

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Takes time to get enough to CHI then east coast for final fittings. Understand 8 either on way or are being set up?
They don't need to go to the east coast, fit-up is happening in Chicago. I believe all the coaches have been delivered at this point, it's just a matter of fixing the lead piping, ceiling panels & magnetic tables.

At some point in the future the two sets that are currently out in service, will need to be removed from service. As they didn't actually repair the tables, they just stuck a sign on them saying not to pull out the extensions.

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Finally it looks like the first Venture set is about to go into service in California on the San Joaquin Service...

nice means the comets will be removed from that line.
still wish they'd use comets or horizens to start a coast daylight
Will the Capital Corridor trains need to have their own discreet fleet ?
the vision plan calls for the capital corridor to have ~25 sets. If they change their stance on wires we could see pure EMUs, something like caltrains KISS but with a different interior or we may see a dual mode hydrogen with overhead electrification if they can only get wires up in some sections.
it seems unlikely but the state could just order a bunch new bi level coaches then just change the loco on the front based on route
 

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There is a discussion of the California FLIRTs here:


And here:


Please note that FLIRTs are single level. Stadler uses the name KISS for two level trains and I haven’t found anything but catenary EMU KISS trains.
 

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So this must go along with the rumor of the San Joaquin moving to the CHSR line when completed. No grade crossings.
its not being moved to CAHSR. the service will end at Merced.
CASHR could test with a venture set and AEM-7 from caltrain if they wanted to do 125mph testing before a high speed set came
 

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Does anyone know if the Venture set runs consistently on one of the frequencies? Will be in Fresno and would like to grab some photos of it.

Also, do they still have a 5 minute smoke break in Fresno where one might be able to jump in and off quickly?
 

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I would guess Covid played a huge role in it along with the failure at Nippon Sharyo and that cost savings were implemented. Siemens rushed to complete the order during the worst possible time to, the Covid shutdowns. Quality control was clearly lacking. That’s backed up by the claims from crews testing the cars that the first batch delivered had loose ceiling tiles. There were a whole myriad of other issues claimed by various folks in many different quarters of the internet, issues that not need to be mentioned because the cars have actual proven issues.

Cost “savings” came from subcontractors using lead based soder and a rather spartan interior design on the cars. The seats, while the same basic design on Brightline, use stiffer padding and less comfortable materials.
Regarding Nippon-Sharyo, I can recall when Caltrans/Sumitomo turned to Siemens for what would eventually become the Venture cars. The NGEC quickly went to work and increased the allowable weight for single-level cars by more than 20%, to allow the Venture cars to confirm to standards.

I wonder, had Nippon-Sharyo been granted an additional 20% weight bump, whether their bi-level design might have passed the buff strength testing, and we'd be complaining about those rail cars instead, or whether their engineering was just that bad, and N-S got in over their heads.
 
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Regarding Nippon-Sharyo, I can recall when Caltrans/Sumitomo turned to Siemens for what would eventually become the Venture cars. The NGEC quickly went to work and increased the allowable weight for single-level cars by more than 20%, to allow the Venture cars to confirm to standards.

I wonder, had Nippon-Sharyo been granted an additional 20% weight bump, whether their bi-level design might have passed the buff strength testing, and we'd be complaining about those rail cars instead, or whether their engineering was just that bad, and N-S got in over their heads.
Are the Siemens ventures unusually heavy? Or are those cars pretty standard and the NGEC guidelines just unusually strict?
 

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I am wondering if anyone can throw any light on what exactly is going on with the induction of Venture Cars from the Midwest/California order into service, or shall we say lack thereof. It seems like Brightline and VIA are having no problem introducing their cars into service while the State order is stuck in neutral gear for months growing to years. What gives?
 
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