What happens to passengers if 22 misses 822 at Fort Worth?

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Todays 22 is 4 hours late into Fort Worth, and 822 has already departed. What happens to any passengers connecting between the two?
 

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Todays 22 is 4 hours late into Fort Worth, and 822 has already departed. What happens to any passengers connecting between the two?
Perhaps there weren't any? They would have had to hold it less than an hour if there were any. Looking at the routes, it doesn't appear to be conducive to "cutting a corner" with a bus or van shortcut from a previous station to catch up, as is sometimes done in other places. So any misconnect's would have to be accommodated under the guaranteed connection rule...
 

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Todays 22 is 4 hours late into Fort Worth, and 822 has already departed. What happens to any passengers connecting between the two?
I've had reason to wonder about that when I made the Southwest Circle trip counter-clockwise (DEN>RAT>LAX>FTW>NEW>RAT>DEN). I'd like to visit FTW again but not by surprise toward the end of a long trip. As it turned out we made the connection.
 

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A similar question; What happens when a train arrives at it's final destination in the middle of the night? As yesterdays SL is arriving into New Orleans at 3 AM. I don't know how safe many areas would be at 3 AM, and if there would be any cabs/cars available (I believe NOL already has a poor cab situation).

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A similar question; What happens when a train arrives at it's final destination in the middle of the night? As yesterdays SL is arriving into New Orleans at 3 AM. I don't know how safe many areas would be at 3 AM, and if there would be any cabs/cars available (I believe NOL already has a poor cab situation).

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I don't think much happens differently than normal. While not a final LD destination, I once got off a 12 hour late Silver Star in Tampa around midnight. The station employees were all intended to go home around 6 PM so there was a rush to get the bags claimed and the station building closed as soon as possible, causing me to wait on the front steps of the station for an Uber.

As to your original question regarding the Fort Worth connection, my educated guess is that Amtrak would likely charter a vehicle in that scenario to take passengers from Fort Worth to their final destination given the relatively short route length of the Heartland Flyer.
 
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A similar question; What happens when a train arrives at it's final destination in the middle of the night? As yesterdays SL is arriving into New Orleans at 3 AM. I don't know how safe many areas would be at 3 AM, and if there would be any cabs/cars available (I believe NOL already has a poor cab situation).
I can't speak to the current pandemic situation in New Orleans, but based on past visits (most recent being in May 2019) there should be no problem getting a taxi or uber at the station at that time. Unless the venue is at some distance from downtown, we have had no problems getting a taxi or uber at 2 a.m. We arrived on the Crescent about 3 hours late in 2019 and there were plenty of taxis available at the station.

Back in the pre-Uber days about 10 or 11 years ago, we were at one venue some distance from downtown and did have to wait an hour for a taxi at 2 a.m. but that was an exception.

Maybe someone has more current information.

On the other hand if you are on the dreaded 448 and arrive at Boston hours late and after all public transportation has ceased you have the wonderful choice of springing for an expensive hotel room or a bench at South Station for the night.
 

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I don't know how safe many areas would be at 3 AM, and if there would be any cabs/cars available (I believe NOL already has a poor cab situation).
I can't speak to the safety of the area around the station, although, it looked OK to me when I arrived on the Crescent. But, the taxi situation was an issue. The Crescent was somewhat late in arriving and it took quite some time for sufficient taxis to arrive to handle the number of passengers wanting taxis. I went into the station and asked the agent on duty to call for more taxis. Whether he did or not, I don't really know.
 
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I would not recommend that area at 3 a.m. Daytime seems to be okay when we have been there.
 

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A similar question; What happens when a train arrives at it's final destination in the middle of the night? As yesterdays SL is arriving into New Orleans at 3 AM. I don't know how safe many areas would be at 3 AM, and if there would be any cabs/cars available (I believe NOL already has a poor cab situation).
We've been on the Coast Star-late three times northbound and it's never been close to on-time. The worst was around 2 am into Seattle and there was a wait for taxis, but station wait was safe enough with lots of people.
 
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I would not recommend that area at 3 a.m. Daytime seems to be okay when we have been there.
I've not been to New Orleans, but have heard the secret if arriving on Amtrak is to plan your first night at one of the two Hyatt properties adjacent to the station even if you plan to stay elsewhere for the rest of your visit.
 

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I've not been to New Orleans, but have heard the secret if arriving on Amtrak is to plan your first night at one of the two Hyatt properties adjacent to the station even if you plan to stay elsewhere for the rest of your visit.
I've been in New Orleans many times, and have never felt unsafe arriving late @ night into Union Station, whether on the Crescent,CONO or Sunset,and have always been able to get a cab, Ride Share or catch the Street Car or even walk to my Hotel when staying close to the Station.

Of course, like any City, there are areas where you don't want to venture into, both @ night and in the Day time!( including Bourbon Street!😄)
 

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I've not been to New Orleans, but have heard the secret if arriving on Amtrak is to plan your first night at one of the two Hyatt properties adjacent to the station even if you plan to stay elsewhere for the rest of your visit.
I don't think that is necessary at all unless someone just wants to arrive and go to a hotel within walking distance of the station. We have just never had a problem getting a taxi or Uber from the station to our hotel in or near the French Quarter (Hotel Monteleone, Omni Royal Orleans or Royal St. Charles) and it is a fairly short ride.
 

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I can't speak to the current pandemic situation in New Orleans, but based on past visits (most recent being in May 2019) there should be no problem getting a taxi or uber at the station at that time. Unless the venue is at some distance from downtown, we have had no problems getting a taxi or uber at 2 a.m. We arrived on the Crescent about 3 hours late in 2019 and there were plenty of taxis available at the station.
We had the same experience in November 2019 when we arrived at 2am. Plenty of taxis waiting as was our Uber. Our hotel was in the French Quarter and it was still very lively.
 

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There is good new and bad news as far as guaranteed connections. I was on the CZ once when it was 12 hours late into Emeryville and missed my connection to San Jose. The good news is that Amtrak hired a taxi to take me (and others who had missed their connections) to my destination. The bad news is that the only place the taxi could take me was the San Jose station. And of course, when I arrived there in the early morning hours, the station was closed. Fortunately, I spotted a cab driver sleeping in his cab across the street. I woke him up by tapping on his window. He got a nice fare and a nice tip, but I suspect he would rather have gotten his sleep.
 

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We had the same experience in November 2019 when we arrived at 2am. Plenty of taxis waiting as was our Uber. Our hotel was in the French Quarter and it was still very lively.
I can well imagine. The French Quarter never really sleeps, although maybe the type of people you are likely to encounter may vary with the time of day.
 

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I can well imagine. The French Quarter never really sleeps, although maybe the type of people you are likely to encounter may vary with the time of day.
Yes. I once rode the St. Charles Owl on a Saturday night. The 2:15 a.m. crowd were happy drunks. The operator told me that he hated the 3:15 a.m. crowd because they were stinking drunk. He said that he wanted to be on time for his 4:15 a.m. trip because that run carried workers.
 

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Yes. I once rode the St. Charles Owl on a Saturday night. The 2:15 a.m. crowd were happy drunks. The operator told me that he hated the 3:15 a.m. crowd because they were stinking drunk. He said that he wanted to be on time for his 4:15 a.m. trip because that run carried workers.
My wife and I did a late night in the French Quarter once, doing various bars and music venues. I think it was our last night there so we wanted to make the most of it. When finally we decided we had had our fair share, we started to walk back to the hotel. It must have been about 3am. On our walk we came through a quieter street. There was just one lonely drunk elderly African American who was sitting on a bench and singing to himself.

My wife said to me, just listen to that. That is the most authentic jazz we have heard tonight. And it was . Because it came from the heart.
 

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I had a late (midnight) arrival into NOL and had to walk a few blocks to reach my hotel. There were tons of people on the street and many more walking through the hotel. Everyone was dressed up and energetic like they were heading to a massive party. I just wanted to get some sleep but nobody gave me any trouble.
 
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