I was debating between “expected tradition” and Other.I'm the "other" vote - at the root of it, it's probably just "expected tradition", but I tip folks who provide a personal service - bring me food, make my bed, cut my hair, tune my piano, that sort of thing.
I don’t tip for the food, on the trains or at restaurants. I tip for the service of having my order taken and having the food bought to me. If the service is bad, I tip less.I draw the tipping line with flexible dining. As badly as I feel for the single staff member working the car - I just can't bring myself to tip for a glorified microwave dinner. Since I don't tip, I clear my own table and throw things out myself.
I don't tip the fast food worker taking my order, and I certainly don't feel that asking which microwave meal I would like is service to the level that merits tipping. As for having the food brought to me, I always tip if the person performing the service is being paid low wages, especially the sub-minimum wage that waiters are paid. Amtrak employees are much more highly compensated and I don't see the need to tip when a microwaved plastic bowl is slapped down in front of me with indifference.I tip for the service of having my order taken and having the food bought to me.
Interesting. I definitely see a difference between a full service, multi-course, dining experience in the regular dining car and a single delivery of a microwaved meal. But perhaps I am missing something.I see no difference in the service provided for whatever food is served to me, be it in a plastic bowl or on china.
Interesting read - but there is one very important distinction. Amtrak employees are paid much more than $2.13 per hour - unlike the employees that are the basis for the article that you quoted. I still tip on Amtrak (other than the one instance that I mentioned previously), but there is not nearly the economic necessity for the Amtrak employee compared to a regular restaurant server.Yes, you read that right. It’s mandatory. It may seem voluntary and perhaps it is legally, but in the U.S., a tip of 15% to 20% is necessary and standard. It’s built into the wage and price structure of wherever you dine and if you leave less than that – or don’t tip at all – you are docking your server’s salary. And you have no more right to do that than you have to refuse to pay the check. It’s not that big a stretch to suggest that not leaving a tip, or leaving as little 12%, is akin to stealing from the waitress."
I definitely agree with you. There is a long tradition of tipping these railroad employees. The difference is that, unlike current Amtrak employees, they were not paid a livable wage and needed to rely on tips to earn enough to make a living.Somewhat facetiously, I had always considered tipping on Amtrak to be a continuation of the old Pullman Porter and Diner Servers tradition (though that terminology is now not PC) rather than extension of the current tipping in restaurants tradition. But that admittedly is splitting a very thin hair, and may be just me.
I think the author doesn't understand the meaning of the word "mandatory".Have you ever tipped your auto mechanic for changing your oil? How about the surgeon who gave you a new knee? Or the cashier who toted up your grocery bill? Then why does it make sense to tip your …talkingethics.com
"Tipping is a practice that most consumers hate. So do most of the people who depend on tips for a living wage. It makes no economic sense, does little to improve service, and raises all sorts of ethical questions. Yet it’s mandatory in most American restaurants.
Yes, you read that right. It’s mandatory. It may seem voluntary and perhaps it is legally, but in the U.S., a tip of 15% to 20% is necessary and standard. It’s built into the wage and price structure of wherever you dine and if you leave less than that – or don’t tip at all – you are docking your server’s salary. And you have no more right to do that than you have to refuse to pay the check. It’s not that big a stretch to suggest that not leaving a tip, or leaving as little 12%, is akin to stealing from the waitress."
I agree. Unfortunately I have come across several Amtrak employees who appear to believe that the tip is an entitlement, and there are others among railfans who loudly sing that tune. In various internet fora there have been times that I have received really nasty responses from some Amtrak employees and their railfan supporters, indeed some even on AU, upon presenting my considered opinion on this matter. All I can say is, like many other things these day, it is what it is I guess.Again, I am all for tipping Amtrak employees (and I personally do) - but given that they are paid a living wage and Amtrak does not require tipping, I think that it is pretty crass to shame people who choose not to tip. It's a genuinely personal decision in the context of Amtrak.
Or it can be seen as a sign that you are financially prosperous and that you want better service than those who are less financially well off. This is especially true if you can afford to tip handsomely at the beginning of the trip, which is one reason that I always tip at the end.Tipping can also be looked upon as a powerful affirmation that you are financially prosperous and can afford to share your prosperity with those who provide you with a service that is appreciated.
We always tip at the end of our trips, and would NEVER consider using a tip as a means of obtaining better service.Or it can be seen as a sign that you are financially prosperous and that you want better service than those who are less financially well off. This is especially true if you can afford to tip handsomely at the beginning of the trip, which is one reason that I always tip at the end.
This also only makes sense if tipping is truly optional. When it is an expectation, it impacts those who are less financially well off disproportionately. Knowing that Amtrak pays a genuine living wage, I would never begrudge someone of modest means who scrapes up enough money to afford a roomette if they decide not to tip, or to tip a very small amount. It really should be a personal decision when it comes to Amtrak, with no right or wrong answer.
It's both essentially. At one point I had a slash between them but seeing the results it looks like I should have separated them into different options.I was debating between “expected tradition” and Other.
I wasn’t sure if the expected referred to me or the staff.
Arbitrary courtesy might be more accurate.Common courtesy.
When I was a kid working minimum wage jobs a nice tip did make my week. By the time I was making OBS money I had no need for tips and would be embarrassed to accept a tip from anyone making less than me.It’s a generous thing to do, and kindness and generosity go a long way! It could make someone’s week and cause them to believe in their job, therefore causing them to want to work harder!
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