- Jul 29, 2019
In this case it wouldn't even need to reverse, and while somewhat roundabout, the route would be far less out of the way than the mentioned examples in New York and San Francisco. However, that is only the case if service terminated in Burlington. If the train were to continue to St. Albans and/or Montreal, a significant backup move would be necessary.Suffice it to observe that in the rest of the world such en route reversal are pretty routine on many routes. There is a train in India which changes direction four times in course of its journey. So that should not be, in and of itself a disqualifier for a route as long as its serves a useful purpose.
I was going on the basis of the link I included in the initial post - "The stop is the busiest station in the state of Vermont and has always been a stop on the Montrealer/Vermonter, it would probably be the terminus of the train if a train yard was present instead of having trains continue virtually empty 24 miles north to St Albans, the Amtrak terminus with the fewest passengers. I also wonder why the train can't simply use the still existing rail spur and enter downtown Burlington instead . . . " It just seems to make more sense to terminate at the city supporting the busiest station in the state vs. "continue virtually empty" to the terminus with the fewest passengers.The Vermonter is on the wrong tracks for direct access to Burlington without turning around and going the "wrong" way. In that respect, by way of an analogy, this is sort-of like asking why a bunch of DC-originating Regionals don't terminate at NYG (or why the Zephyr doesn't go to San Francisco proper).
/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/Just in case someone is interested, this subject was discussed at much greater depth seven years back. Take a look at:
The Burlington extension was delayed largely by arguments in Middlebury, which took five years to resolve. It is, however, resolved. Current squabbles about overnight train parking and platform modifications at Middlebury and Burlington will probably not hold it up any longer./=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/
V: Interesting that this earlier thread indicates that both the Ethan Allen Burlington extension and the Vermonter going to Montreal will be in place by 2017, while it now looks like 2022 at the earliest.
Jennifer, thank you so much for posting (and explaining) this. I have wanted to go to Burlington for ages, but it seems so difficult to get to. It's not clear, though, on the Blue Line schedule, which stop is downtown Burlington. I would also be concerned because the Vermonter gets to Essex Junction so late--and I would be afraid of trying to find a bus that late somewhere I had never been. Did you do it when you were out here in the east?FYI, here are the current transit schedules for the area: http://ridegmt.com/gmt-schedules/
Burlington and Essex are in Chittenden County. The Blue Line goes from Essex Amtrak to downtown every 20 minutes on weekdays, 30-45 minute intervals on weekends. The ride takes 40 minutes. Cash fare is $1.50.
I think the northbound Adirondack gets to Port Kent sometime between 2:02 PM (the Westport stop) and 3:20 PM (the Plattsburgh stop). Of course, being Amtrak, we can expect the train to be late on a regular basis. There are ferry departures from Port Kent at 4:10 and 6:35 PM. Even if the train is on time, you shouldn't have to wait for more than an hour, and if it's late, there's the backup crossing at 6:35. I'd hate to be stranded at Port Kent. There's absolutely nothing there but a platform at a road crossing. You follow the road down the hill a couple of hundred feet to the ferry dock. I would strongly recommend having a roller bag or backpack to make this transfer.Jennifer, thank you so much for posting (and explaining) this. I have wanted to go to Burlington for ages, but it seems so difficult to get to. It's not clear, though, on the Blue Line schedule, which stop is downtown Burlington. I would also be concerned because the Vermonter gets to Essex Junction so late--and I would be afraid of trying to find a bus that late somewhere I had never been. Did you do it when you were out here in the east?
The ferry looks like the best bet, but of course it's only summer, and unless I'm reading it wrong, it looks like the train gets to where the ferry is about two hours earlier than the ferry leaves, so you're sitting around in the summer sun (even up there it would be hot) out in the middle of a field or something with nowhere to go in and get out of the heat.
Spot on Patty! You'll Love it!Thank you all--trying to plan where to get out of NJ next summer, and this is a possibility (yes, I know it will be hot everywhere, but not like here). I think I like the restaurant on the pier and then the ferry idea best--good food and a nice water crossing--better perhaps than the bus for me.
Is the restaurant on the pier at Burlington or Port Kent? I seem to recall that there was more or less nothing but a little ticket booth for the ferry at the pier in Port Kent. The satellite photo shown on Google Maps suggests that there might be an actual building now (we pass through in 2010), so maybe there's an indoor waiting room.As for the ferry. there is a restaurant-bar right on the pier, so no need to sit in a field - unless you want to.