Capitol Limited discussion 2023 Q4 - 2024

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Posting this here because my bias is the Capitol Limited. A very thorough analysis by Trains Newswire on the likely combining with the Silver Star. Positives include the obvious additional availability of Superliner equipment for other trains, but a negative is tightening supply of road-worthy Viewliner cars. Also positive is the presumption that traditional meals will now be available on the Capitol.

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-rev...ine-capitol-limited-and-silver-star-analysis/

This analysis is interesting but ultimately the pros and cons are supported by no more evidence than what many of us have already done on Amtrak’s booking site. For example while we would hope the entire run would be traditional dining given it’s currently on the Star, there is absolutely no guarantee that they will do that and run Miami crews all the way to Chicago. So one should not automatically assume they will do so. This trains analysis is purely speculative in the same manner in which threads here have been - though in fairness to Johnston he pretty much outright says it’s pure speculation himself and so far has not gotten any official comment from Amtrak.
 
Posting this here because my bias is the Capitol Limited. A very thorough analysis by Trains Newswire on the likely combining with the Silver Star. Positives include the obvious additional availability of Superliner equipment for other trains, but a negative is tightening supply of road-worthy Viewliner cars. Also positive is the presumption that traditional meals will now be available on the Capitol.

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-rev...ine-capitol-limited-and-silver-star-analysis/
The article mentions a through Capitol/Eagle. When did that start and end?
 
It was in the latter part of the pandemic when they had to drop trains back to 5 days a week after restoring them to daily from 3 days a week. When they started to ramp back up to daily operation if memory serves the first phase which happened in the spring was they did a run through of the Capitol Limited and Texas Eagle along with returning the Starlight to daily. Phase 2 which was the summer restored the Zephyr, Builder, Chief, and Lake Shore to daily and went back to normal daily ops on the Cap and Eagle without the run through. The final phase which occurred in the fall returned the Crescent and CONO to daily and brought back the Meteor which was suspended during that period. Ultimately the Meteor was last because its return got suspended for another couple weeks due to Hurricane Ian washing out a bridge on SunRail.
 
One thing that the run through will do, that Johnson does not mention is that it will improve equipment utilization phenomenally for the single level equipment involved and possibly even for the Superliners sent to other trains.

Superliner utilization is abysmal on the Cap with a 27 hour layover at one end.
 
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One reason Amtrak literally raped the Capitol Ltd down to 3 Superliners, even worse than the Texas Eagle, is they could not stand its horrible equipment utilization. With all the other eastern low level trains with reduced consists, they could have converted it to low level right then and there during the pandemic.

The right way to go in 2005 was to upgrade the Pennsylvanian to be the Broadway Ltd and kill the Captiol Ltd, or make it a PGH-WAS shuttle train. But Ralph von Dem Hagen talked David Gunn into this current mess. I heard he also threw a fit when Warrington extended the Three Rivers onto the B&O to Chicago in 1998.

I think Penn-DOT would have been motivated to put the 2nd PGH frequency in place sooner, wanting a reliable train 42, before PSR and Hedge Funds seized control of NS and demanding a $200 million ransom.
 
That's too bad. The Capitol Limited was the only Superliner train east of Chicago (other than the Auto Train of course).
Capitol Limited also requires a bunch of Superliners to sit around doing nothing for 26 hours in Washington DC. Abysmal equipment utilization. Equipment sitting in yard is not providing any service to anyone, so one should try to minimize such to only as much time as is required for servicing it.
 
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