Long Distance (LD) fleet replacement discussion (2022-24)

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I hope they retire them from scheduled service but keep them for charters and specials to state fairs, sports events, and conventions.
That is especially able to use in off season times. At the Thanksgiving -thru New Years the equipment can fill out for that time's demand! Amtrak can use that equipment for expanding the safety patrol runs that are only going from West Palm to WASH. There were many school charters as well that could be repeated.

However there is the big problem that Amtrak does not have enough yard space to store the idle cars if none of the above is done. The one exception is BEECH where many yard tracks could be constructed.
 
There an interesting Q&A with (apparently) an Amtrak mechanic on the NEC, on reddit - amtrak. The Amfleets do need regular repairs and maintenance by experienced people. They are checked every night.
Although apparently he only deals with amfleet cars. No long distance ones, but still an interesting read.
 
Yes it would be nice if scheduled subsidized service wasn't cancelled for a charter trip but in fact used an additional consist as appropriate :rolleyes:
It really isn’t that big of a deal in my opinion given the time of year they do it and just two days in each direction. They pay decent money for that - they’re basically buying every revenue slot on those trains and then some. And every single station on the route except for Jesup GA is served by another train frequency and I’m sure they probably book it early enough that any affected early birds can be accommodated on the Star or Palmetto.
 
I remember the first time I saw a Metroliner in New York Penn and how sleek and futuristic it looked. Yes they have small windows, but they are not ugly and most people think they are fine. They ride well and still look pretty good for all the miles and years they have worked. That said, it is time for an improved replacement.
 
I remember the first time I saw a Metroliner in New York Penn and how sleek and futuristic it looked. Yes they have small windows, but they are not ugly and most people think they are fine. They ride well and still look pretty good for all the miles and years they have worked. That said, it is time for an improved replacement.
Like the RDC's, the quality of workmanship and the design proved itself by use in services that they were never intended for.

Train 26 pulls out of Portland to Salt Lake City in 1979.
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Back to the topic on replacements I feel like stainless steel single levels won’t happen as they would just use venture again I think they need to go for bi levels and prob stainless steel but that’s just me . Stainless steel is prob unlikely at this point in time we have moved passed i
 
Back to the topic on replacements I feel like stainless steel single levels won’t happen as they would just use venture again I think they need to go for bi levels and prob stainless steel but that’s just me . Stainless steel is prob unlikely at this point in time we have moved passed i
Ventures are Stainless Steel single level cars. ;)
 
Back to the topic on replacements I feel like stainless steel single levels won’t happen as they would just use venture again I think they need to go for bi levels and prob stainless steel but that’s just me . Stainless steel is prob unlikely at this point in time we have moved passed i
Stainless Steel Single Levels won't happen because Amtrak is buying bilevel equipment. It was very clearly stated in the initial RFP.

They did not specify stainless steel, though that is almost certainly what they are after.
 
Stainless Steel Single Levels won't happen because Amtrak is buying bilevel equipment. It was very clearly stated in the initial RFP.

They did not specify stainless steel, though that is almost certainly what they are after.
Stainless Steel single level won't happen to replace bi-levels, but they certainly will happen when they get around to replacing the single level LD fleet.
 
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Ventures are Stainless Steel single level cars. ;)
Are they painted for purely cosmetic reasons? Or perhaps the car shell is not entirely SS? Seems that polished SS would be lower maintenance than paint. I can't recall any smooth sided heritage/legacy equipment in polished SS, though. Maybe the smooth sided design doesn't hide imperfections as well as fluted.
 
Are they painted for purely cosmetic reasons? Or perhaps the car shell is not entirely SS? Seems that polished SS would be lower maintenance than paint. I can't recall any smooth sided heritage/legacy equipment in polished SS, though. Maybe the smooth sided design doesn't hide imperfections as well as fluted.
They are all around Stainless Steel cars. Although nothing prevents them from being painted and indeed many possibly are, but the modern day preference appears to be to use adhesive plastic wraps (sometimes even with intricate printed patterns) in color as they are easier to maintain and replace. My previous employer HP loves this turn of events since they make the giant printers and the ink for such wraps among others.

There are plenty of smooth sided stainless steel cars. The entire EMU fleet of LIRR and MNRR would fall in that category.
 
Stainless steel car bodies were introduced by the Budd Company, back in the 1930's. Budd cornered the market due to their proprietary shot-welding fabrication process. Most of their cars wore their 'signature' fluted sides and corrugated roofs, but they did make some flat sided cars as well for some customer's...
 
Everything I’ve heard is bilevels. If you read the RFP, it doesn’t actually say bilevel, it says bilevel replacement meaning it’s a replacement for the Superliner fleet. But everything I’ve heard is they’ll be bilevels. However, they need more equipment today. They should order Ventures with long distance amenities to augment while new bilevels come on line. The process is too slow and we need new cars today!
 
Everything I’ve heard is bilevels. If you read the RFP, it doesn’t actually say bilevel, it says bilevel replacement meaning it’s a replacement for the Superliner fleet. But everything I’ve heard is they’ll be bilevels. However, they need more equipment today. They should order Ventures with long distance amenities to augment while new bilevels come on line. The process is too slow and we need new cars today!
Ventures ordered now almost certainly won't come till the mid 2030s unless its an option on a state order placed years ago
Amtrak just needs to fix the cars they have no to get them into the 2030s
 
Ventures ordered now almost certainly won't come till the mid 2030s unless its an option on a state order placed years ago
Amtrak just needs to fix the cars they have no to get them into the 2030s
I agree they have to fix the equipment, but there’s a huge problem. They’re coming off line as fast as they’re being shopped leading to no net increase in available equipment. If we’re going to get new service, we need cars sooner. I used Ventures as an example. Anything they can get building quickly would be the same concept. I’m not convinced of those timelines.
 
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