I think the solution is you then group passengers in coaches based on destination. You have a set coach with people going the full overnight and you cut the lights and the PA in that coach. This isn’t rocket science. Treating 65/66/67 as any other regional train is ridiculous because it isn’t.
Both of these posters make good sense in my opinion.Perhaps it’s time to change the ’requirements’ or at least have the SCA and/or conductor responsible to insure any intermediate sleeper passengers get off at the right destination and turn off the PA In the sleeper until maybe 6am.
Not on the corridor, as it increases dwell time considerably. Open all doors, let people off/on, close all doors, rinse and repeat.Both of these posters make good sense in my opinion.
I thought it has been the practice to try to group Coach passengers in specific cars based on their destination.
OK, and if the PA can't be turned off in the sleepers, then perhaps an overnight train on the NEC is not a world class idea. Particularly for those passengers who want to get some sleep.Not on the corridor, as it increases dwell time considerably. Open all doors, let people off/on, close all doors, rinse and repeat.
Considering that this train is scheduled to take over 9 hours to get from Boston to Washington when most Northest Regionals do the run in 7 and a half hours, I don't think increased dwell time at stations would be a problem.Not on the corridor, as it increases dwell time considerably. Open all doors, let people off/on, close all doors, rinse and repeat.
It certainly does not sound like a world class idea but sadly I am beginning to think that it is a third world idea instead.OK, and if the PA can't be turned off in the sleepers, then perhaps an overnight train on the NEC is not a world class idea. Particularly for those passengers who want to get some sleep.
There are controls in all roomettes and bedrooms, but the PA may still be loud enough in the hallway to be quite jarring. I've jumped a few times when trying to take a quick nap in between meal periods, and because of the PA in the hallway.Can’t you turn the PA volume down in your room on a viewliner?
Heck, when I commuted on a MARC train that left at 5 AM, I always carried an eye mask, and was usually dozing very nicely in the brightly lit coach by the time we got to Odenton.The sleeper should run and be occupied from Newport News. Tidewater to Boston would seem like a decent market. All these problems are rather simple details that could be resolved by a working group. Including labor in the discussion would be positive because they might have some excellent ideas. There should be a through coach and the sleepers where no announcements are made and lights dimmed in the coach. That said, when I lived in Europe. I always carries an eye mask and ear plugs and slept like a baby in the lighted coach at night.
I took that trip (BAL-BOS) in coach a bit later in January 1987. We sat in an Amfleet 2. The seats seemed very uncomfortable, and I had trouble getting to sleep. I think I finally dozed off after we crossed the Hell Gate Bridge, so I did get to see a spectacular view of Manhattan at night. I slept right through the engine change in New Haven and woke up somewhere around Waverly, RI. We got coffee that was being served in some kind of heritage buffet car. I think we waited until we got to Boston to get breakfast. I'm kind of sorry we didn't book the sleeper, but the price seemed really high, although I suspect that, even accounting for inflation, it was less than the prices today.I noticed that although the Executive Sleeper was in service then there was no mention of being awakened by switching in NYP. And no mention of the engine change at New Haven.
While we can complain about these things all we want (and I’ve done just that), the Night Owl is perhaps the single sleeper train in this country that makes actual sense across the board. It’s a perfect schedule, it’s decently priced (most of the time), and has an undeniably real market outside tourism.OK, and if the PA can't be turned off in the sleepers, then perhaps an overnight train on the NEC is not a world class idea. Particularly for those passengers who want to get some sleep.
I would agree with you if I didn’t think this sleeper train were so useful.In some ways I would've rather that they waited to have a V2 or at the very least a refurbished V1 available for this route. They're going to turn off a lot of potential repeat customers by running a beat up V1 on this. The demographics of who takes the sleeper on this train is radically different than any other Amtrak overnight route and they're not gonna tolerate a grungy-ass V1 and being woken up at 3am for pointless announcements.
Fortune 500 people tend to not influence data that much. There aren’t that many of them, and most will take their Challengers and Gulfstreams anyways.Who are the non-tourists that are taking this train?
If I had to guess, I would say that they tend to fall into the following categories:
1) People who are train aficionados.
2) People who see value in saving a night in a hotel. This includes self employed people and small business owners who keep an eye on the expense account.
3) Younger professionals looking for a bit of an adventure.
I just don't see a Fortune 500 executive taking this train, especially those why fly first class and stay in nice hotels.
Wait a second. Are the sleeper cars actually dirty, as in the kind of grime that transfers from the surface to your person ,or is it just that they are a bit old and faded?I would agree with you if I didn’t think this sleeper train were so useful.
again, sometimes it sucks, but the usefulness of the route and sleeper car on this route trumps any possible problems. This train is already immensely popular. I’ll take a dirty private room over a dirty seat any day of the week...
My fiancé always brings wipes and alcohol with her anyways.