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It appears that the Crescent derailment is fully covered but new wheels was the solution to get the Viewliners back in service..

These are some numbers that I dug up on equipment:

68 baggage cars in active use, 52 required to meet the schedule; 56 available That should leave 4 spare baggage cars.

Still believe that the one in the slidell wreck was lost (as it accordian collapsed) but we will see.

52 Viewliners in active use 35 Viewliners required to meet the schedule

The above info may be a bit dated but it looks as though Amtrak had enough spares.
There are 70 baggage cars on the active roster as of March 31st and there are only 50 Viewliner sleepers on the active roster. Only 52 were ever built, and the 2 proto-types have long since been retired.

As an aside, the one Viewliner diner as we all know is currently in BG serving as a test bed for the new Viewliner II dining car layout and it will probably enter service later this year.
Alan: I guess that my numbers were off by a few cars but the info that I get was from unofficial sources. The Viewliners appear to have a much higher survival rate than the Superliners so if 50 out of 52 remain then that pretty decent. Only 35 are needed for service so Amtrak has a good back up supply that I assume are used for service rotation. As for the baggage cars; if Amtrak has 70 and they need 52 to meet the schedulke then they have quite a few of these available.
 
Alan: I guess that my numbers were off by a few cars but the info that I get was from unofficial sources. The Viewliners appear to have a much higher survival rate than the Superliners so if 50 out of 52 remain then that pretty decent. Only 35 are needed for service so Amtrak has a good back up supply that I assume are used for service rotation. As for the baggage cars; if Amtrak has 70 and they need 52 to meet the schedulke then they have quite a few of these available.
First I wasn't trying to be critical just correcting the numbers, sorry if it appeared otherwise. :(

Next, my source for the baggage cars is OTOL, hardly an official source. So it comes with a caveot, that being that the numbers there are what's listed on the active roster. A car that has been wrecked can remain on the active roster if it's expected to return to duty in a short period of time. So it is possible that some of those 70 bags aren't actually currently being used.

The Viewliner's it's just a matter of my knowing the history. There have been a few times however where the active roster was less than the current 50, when major wrecks occured and there was no money to repair a car, so it was removed from active service.

Finally, while it's true that they only need 35 to cover all the trains, that doesn't mean that the other 15 are just sitting around as spares. At all times there is supposed to be 1 spare in NY and Hialeah. The plan also calls for a spare when available to be positioned in Chicago, however it doesn't seem like that happens very often. So we'll call that 2 cars, bringing things to 37 needed.

Last I knew officially, at any given moment Amtrak allows for 2 cars to be in Beech Grove for overhaul work and the FRA required annual inspection. I had heard a rumor that was to be bumped to 3 cars in BG, but that isn't confirmed. Also according to plan, at any given moment at least 4 to 5 cars are out of service (OOS) in Hiahleah Florida for PM work, 92 day inspections, and other needed repairs. During the winter months with freeze problems there may be even more cars OOS in Hialeah.

So while that still potentially leaves a few spares, again it's not like Amtrak has 15 Viewliners available to put into service at any given time to replace a Viewliner that needs repairs or worse gets wrecked.

As for the Viewliner's survival rate, the are the newest cars Amtrak has in the long distance fleet. That does help! They also cost less to fix when they are damaged by comparison to a Superliner. But Amtrak thankfully to date has been rather lucky too with regard to the Viewliners. Let's hope that trend continues!

This is also not to suggest that the Superliners have a terrible record either. There are more of those cars and they run on more trains, therefore they are more likely to be in a wreck. Out of the original 479 purchased, 23 have been scrapped because they were too far gone. As of May 1st, 25 are listed as wrecked. Of that number, 5 are on the list to be fixed by the Stimulus monies, leaving 20 who's fate & future status are unknown. I suspect that at least a few may well be beyond repair and are awaiting scrapping or are being used for parts. Others are recent wrecks simply awaiting their turn in the shops at Beech Grove that have been full with the Stimulus work over the last 2 years. While others may require major work and therefore are awaiting the funds to be restored.
 
Finally, while it's true that they only need 35 to cover all the trains, that doesn't mean that the other 15 are just sitting around as spares. At all times there is supposed to be 1 spare in NY and Hialeah. The plan also calls for a spare when available to be positioned in Chicago, however it doesn't seem like that happens very often. So we'll call that 2 cars, bringing things to 37 needed.

Last I knew officially, at any given moment Amtrak allows for 2 cars to be in Beech Grove for overhaul work and the FRA required annual inspection. I had heard a rumor that was to be bumped to 3 cars in BG, but that isn't confirmed. Also according to plan, at any given moment at least 4 to 5 cars are out of service (OOS) in Hiahleah Florida for PM work, 92 day inspections, and other needed repairs. During the winter months with freeze problems there may be even more cars OOS in Hialeah.

So while that still potentially leaves a few spares, again it's not like Amtrak has 15 Viewliners available to put into service at any given time to replace a Viewliner that needs repairs or worse gets wrecked.
Amtrak has 50 Viewliners of which 39* are required (contrary to some beliefs of only 35) to be on the road to maintain current service. There are at least 4 protect cars, so gets us to 43. BG has 2 or 3 so that's 46, and then there are the remaining in rotation for inspections etc. So no, no matter how many ways one tries to cook the numbers, there just aren't any spare Viewliners that can be reliably deployed in a regular rotation beyond what is the case now.

*You get 39 as follows:

Train: number of consists x Vieliners per consist = Total Viewliners fortrain

Silver Star: 4 x 2 = 8

Silver Meteor: 4 x 3 = 12

Crescent: 4 x 2 = 8

Cardinal 2 x 1 = 2

Lake Shore Limited: 3 x 3 = 9

Total 39.

Any questions? :)
 
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I think there's some kinks to the math somewhere, not sure where the somewhere is but, it seems like it's always been a practice for trainsets to get swapped around for example 49 turns to 91 (hypothetically today, I know that used to be the case back in the day), so I think somewhere in there a set is not needed which cuts the number of cars needed down a little bit.
 
I think there's some kinks to the math somewhere, not sure where the somewhere is but, it seems like it's always been a practice for trainsets to get swapped around for example 49 turns to 91 (hypothetically today, I know that used to be the case back in the day), so I think somewhere in there a set is not needed which cuts the number of cars needed down a little bit.
No there isn't any such kink. Work out the consist assignment links even with all the cross transfers you can dream up. Do so for an entire week if that is what it takes to convince yourself, and it will become eminently obvious.

Besides how the heck could 49 possibly turn into 91 unless a wormhole is involved somewhere in the equation? :eek:

98 could turn into 49 possibly (though not with SSYD involved), but 48 would have difficulty turning into 97
 
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Does this have anything to do with the Crescent using the old consists now with the Viewliners back in front? Noticed the last 3-4 trains I have seen have had that lately.
 
The consist change was in affect well before the accident. We had a few threads discussing it.

I personally preferred them on the rear with the baggage car as the last. However it was not bad in the front just not as nice as the prior reference.
 
Wish I knew how to download pix then maybe we'd have some believers...

Had8ley sent me the pictures so I could put them on the forum for all to see. I'll let him finish with the comments on them. He had written a note on the back of a couple of them and I put that note on the front. Others he will comment on, I'm sure.

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Wish I knew how to download pix then maybe we'd have some believers...

Had8ley sent me the pictures so I could put them on the forum for all to see. I'll let him finish with the comments on them. He had written a note on the back of a couple of them and I put that note on the front. Others he will comment on, I'm sure.
Yes Tom, I do have a few comments...the baggage car is not an accordian. Perhaps someone missed their accordian lesson but not the 1707. I'm sorry I didn't get a pix of the "newly" cross bucked crossing but I was invited to take a long hike by two Textron goons. It really seemed weird to see two dead units, one in the trees, but I think both are salvageable from what I saw. As far as computers burning up, Amtrak is replacing them in operating units on a daily basis. It's the prime mover (engine), all 4,000 plus HP that counts and they looked OK to me. Any more questions ??? :cool:
 
The pictures look to be better than what was reported. It will take some work but from the looks of it, all are probably repairable. Its kind of eerie seeing the engine, helper and baggage car sitting on the side of the tracks.
 
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