I don't recall whether the portions of the Panhandle Route that were taken out of service in Ohio was during that period or later. If later then I guess I am mistaken.What reroutes did the National Limited have in Ohio and Indiana? I am only aware of its reroutes between Harrisburg and either New York or Washington....
As for the Floridian and its predecessor,..if you try to find all of its reroutes in the old timetables....you won't. Some of its frequent reroutes due to poor track condition's in Indiana were so short lived, that were not even published, AFAIK. One example was when it used the C&EI route, via Evansville, I can't find any timetables that showed that.
In the beginning of Amtrak service, both the Cardinal and Floridian predecessor trains started out from Chicago's Central Station as Penn Central trains, using their 'Big Four' route trackage rights on the Illinois Central mainline until just north of Kankakee. Then stopped at the Big Four Kankakee station, and on to Lafayette and Indianapolis. The Cardinal continue on the former NYC to Cincinnati, thence to the C&O to Washington and Newport News (splitting at Charlottesville).The Floridian was moved several times in order to find a useable route across Indiana. The Penn Central was rapidly falling apart in those days. I think at some point either the Floridian or the Cardinal (or one of its predecessors) was routed on to a C&O line that hadn't had passenger service since the 1930's. I do believe the Floridian also made some runs on the old C&EI north of Evansville.
The Penn Central was in such sad shape that freight trains would derail while standing still due to the deteriorating track conditions.
Yup.The Sunset Limited did not originally run to Miami. It was extended from NOL to Miami by Amtrak, and then cut back to Orlando before Katrina whacked it back to NOL
At the other end, way before Amtrak, the Sunset continued up the coast all the way to San Francisco...However, I believe at one point or the other there was a through Sleeper that ran from the Sunset all the way to Miami by way of JAX, handled by L&N and ACL IIRC. But that was discontinued a while before A-Day, again IIRC. Have not had a chance to dig into old timetables to check for sure.
Really, who ran it back then? And do you recall what the eastern terminus was at the time as well?At the other end, way before Amtrak, the Sunset continued up the coast all the way to San Francisco...However, I believe at one point or the other there was a through Sleeper that ran from the Sunset all the way to Miami by way of JAX, handled by L&N and ACL IIRC. But that was discontinued a while before A-Day, again IIRC. Have not had a chance to dig into old timetables to check for sure.
Late reply, but I wonder if anyone could scan and post some pics of that article here, IF they ever find that issue of Trains? I'd SO LOVE to read that article, myself. I always think I know most of the former Amtrak trains, but it's funny when occasionally I've discovered other former Amtrak trains that existed before my time(born in 1982 btw), that I wasn't aware of. I.e. James Wilcomb Riley(sp?) that ran through towns like Welch, WV and Roanoke(paralleling US Hwy 52), North Coast Hiawatha(paralleling I-94 and I-90 west of Billings, plus it had a routing that went through Breckinridge, Morris, and Willmar east of Fargo), The Arrowhead(St. Paul to Duluth), and more probably.I believe it was Trains magazine that printed an "all-time" Amtrak route map that would have shown all of these reroutes, although I don't remember exactly when -- perhaps it was 2011 for the 40th anniversary.