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I'll have to read this in detail later...too busy at work right now.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/13/high.speed.rail.fact.check/
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/13/high.speed.rail.fact.check/
OK, where exactly are all these American highways, who's construction and maintenance is not ever subsidized by our taxes? :angry:Highways and other modes of transportation, like the airlines, are heavily subsidized, too."
Expert response: Not true
The expert response in full:"There are NO high speed rail projects in the world that are profitable. None. They are all taxpayer/government subsidized." -- CNN.com user "aksdad"
Expert response: Not true
Reps. John Mica, R-Florida, chairman of the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, and Rep. Bill Shuster, R-Pennsylvania, chairman of the Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines and Hazardous Materials: "While many high-speed rail systems in the world rely on a government subsidy, this in no way means that rail operations cannot be profitable.
I was taken aback at that, also. But I liked two things about the article: 1) it documents a more reasoned conversation about rail; and 2) two Republican legislators contributed who aren't virulently anti-rail.I'm surprised that the congressmen listed are considered "experts", apparently all you need to do to be an "expert" anymore is be a politician.
And very awkwardly organized as well.This is a very poorly written article...
No, I quoted it in exact order it appeared. No misrepresentation was made at all, let alone gross.That's a gross misrepresentation of what was said there.
Indeed.And very awkwardly organized as well.This is a very poorly written article...
So from your comment above it appears that you still don't understand the somewhat confusing and odd structure of the article. The entire quote carrying the full context for that piece that you quoted would be:No, I quoted it in exact order it appeared. No misrepresentation was made at all, let alone gross.That's a gross misrepresentation of what was said there.
I quoted the statement about other subsidies, and then entire Expert Response paragraph (short as it was) that immediately followed it. I think that any one reading that article, would clearly take such a strong rebuttal, to reflect against the statement made that was just made.
Profitable? [My comment: This is the overall context]
Comment: "There are NO high speed rail projects in the world that are profitable. None. They are all taxpayer/government subsidized." -- CNN.com user "aksdad" [My comment: This is what CNN.com user commented]
Expert response: 'Not necessarily true' [My comment: Expert Response #1 to the CNN.com reader Comment above]
Robert Puentes at the Brookings Institution: "The Acela Express, Amtrak's high speed rail service along the Northeast corridor, has shown a positive return from its New York-to-D.C. route."
Highways, airlines: "And it's not fair to just point the finger at high speed rail. Highways and other modes of transportation, like the airlines, are heavily subsidized, too."
Expert response: Not true [My comment: Expert Response #2 to the CNN.com reader Comment above]
Reps. John Mica, R-Florida, chairman of the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, and Rep. Bill Shuster, R-Pennsylvania, chairman of the Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines and Hazardous Materials: "While many high-speed rail systems in the world rely on a government subsidy, this in no way means that rail operations cannot be profitable.
Other nations: "Private rail operators in Great Britain, such as South West Transport and Virgin Rail, compete for franchise intercity rail service contracts and regularly generate a profit. Rail routes in Japan and France turn a profit."
Private sector: "Rather than relying on the federal government and Amtrak to operate profitable passenger rail, we must put the focus on the private sector to develop and operate self-sustaining, profitable passenger rail in parts of the country where it makes sense."
I don't. I listed them and recommended they be featured because there are people who believe those arguments.Globalist, I hope you do not believe any of those nonsensical arguements you just listed.
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