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So i suppose cops and rent a cops don't make up rules as they go along and decide to arrest people cause they are taking pictures hmmm. yeah right.

"you do know its aganst the law to take pictures right right etc. no its not against the law you just think it is.
 
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I would not have done what you did . but here is the thing the person was not screeming Oh look at me I I am filming . ( MC hammer) cant touch this style .

He was just fliming like I might do If I was in the mood to capture some pass by's of some trains .

yet he kept the tape running after the shot . ( like I do some times too) ..

sadly Like I have stated before . Lots of officers are not aware of the REAL Laws . IMHO they need to keep up with the times and read weekly to see if the laws are what they think they are. a transit officer is going to run in to much diff situations then a beat cop . so they should take it upon them selves to read the company's policy on things that relate to there JOB . I know I do as a E tech and a costumer .

EG photos are a issue . so READ up on them . mobs are a issue . learn them . DUI is not likely so ease up on that training . ect ect

Paul baurt the mall cop does not need to read up on Pitt manuvers or SWAT raids .

Ill state I do NOT belve in prodding officers to test laws. but I think you need to burn on CD that one part of teh tape and send too PATH .

il be honist I dont see TSA going gaga over me shooting photos of a 747 at LAX . I have shot more photos of jets at APs then paris hilton at prom night .. not a single issue ... and that was dressed like this My link

and frankly I consider a jet a better ermmm " device " then a PTC slow train with no "steering" .......
 
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So i suppose cops and rent a cops don't make up rules as they go along and decide to arrest people cause they are taking pictures hmmm. yeah right.

"you do know its aganst the law to take pictures right right etc. no its not against the law you just think it is.
If a cop arrested me for taking pictures "illegally", I would have a brief discussion with their legal department about the kind of morons they are hiring as police officers, and then slam the department with a false arrest lawsuit. And most cops know that.

Rent a cops are NOT cops. They aren't close to cops. They are generally lame individuals incapable of getting more appealing work, such as flipping burgers at McDonalds, which generally pays better. You get many of the risks that cops get wherein you risk your life with less training, no beneifits, no pension, no huge salary, and none of the equipment that protects your ass. All a rentacop is capable of doing is escorting you from the premises they patrol or making a citizens arrest.

If you think they can bother you for things you aren't doing wrong, you've got another think coming. Ask for them to call the cops on you, or call the cops on them. You could make a decent living on the false arrest lawsuits if you did this on a regular basis.
 
sadly Like I have stated before . Lots of officers are not aware of the REAL Laws . IMHO they need to keep up with the times and read weekly to see if the laws are what they think they are. a transit officer is going to run in to much diff situations then a beat cop . so they should take it upon them selves to read the company's policy on things that relate to there JOB . I know I do as a E tech and a costumer .
A lot of civilians are ignorant of the law as well. This seems to happen a lot when these photo threads rear their head.
 
It is not illegal to take pictures or videos of trains. using the "well since 9/11" is getting old fast. Just cause some rent a cop doesn't like it does not give them the right to abuse there power and go on a ego trip. You also got paranoid engineers who report railfans more and more these days.
 
It is not illegal to take pictures or videos of trains. using the "well since 9/11" is getting old fast. Just cause some rent a cop doesn't like it does not give them the right to abuse there power and go on a ego trip. You also got paranoid engineers who report railfans more and more these days.
Yes, that happens. Sometimes operating personnel do so because they themselves were doing something contrary to regulations which got recorded in your photo. We (several of us from this board) were involved in an incident at an LIRR station where an LIRR train showed up with the rear flag riding in the front cab. As we proceeded to take photos she first said we were interfering in her work, which we pointed out could not be true. Then she came off the train, and we pointed out she was now trying to interfere in our freedom, upon which she went back and called the cops. The cops ignored her and did not show up. I suspect her main concern was that she was recorded being present at a place in the train where she was not supposed to be according regulations.

A few engineer acquaintances at NJT tell me that they try to avoid calling cops unless they want to be stuck passing that spot where they called from at reduced speed until the cops take their own sweet time to complete their investigation. But then again, if the photographer is indeed doing something wrong, like infringing on the RoW, then rightfully they should be reported, because they are a potential danger to themselves and others at that point.
 
It is not illegal to take pictures or videos of trains. using the "well since 9/11" is getting old fast. Just cause some rent a cop doesn't like it does not give them the right to abuse there power and go on a ego trip. You also got paranoid engineers who report railfans more and more these days.
Yes, that happens. Sometimes operating personnel do so because they themselves were doing something contrary to regulations which got recorded in your photo. We (several of us from this board) were involved in an incident at an LIRR station where an LIRR train showed up with the rear flag riding in the front cab. As we proceeded to take photos she first said we were interfering in her work, which we pointed out could not be true. Then she came off the train, and we pointed out she was now trying to interfere in our freedom, upon which she went back and called the cops. The cops ignored her and did not show up. I suspect her main concern was that she was recorded being present at a place in the train where she was not supposed to be according regulations.

A few engineer acquaintances at NJT tell me that they try to avoid calling cops unless they want to be stuck passing that spot where they called from at reduced speed until the cops take their own sweet time to complete their investigation. But then again, if the photographer is indeed doing something wrong, like infringing on the RoW, then rightfully they should be reported, because they are a potential danger to themselves and others at that point.
Alot of younger fanners and Freight fanners in particular stand in the ROW and do stupid things....its one thing to stand at a crossing or station platform but along the Embankment of the ROW is pushing it. And when there called out on it they don't think there doing anything wrong...of course then the rules change for all of us. Like a few years ago when a group of fanners used the flash at night at Secaucus , they didn't care that they got the rules changed restricting photography at night. They also made videos boasting about it...and other stuff. The thing that really made me mad was no in the rail fanning community saw any problem with it. Lately ive been getting slammed because ive had enough with the trespassing and other silly ROW crap....ive noticed the cops have become more rude and aggressive and there referencing incidents that these fanners have done... sigh
 
The ironic thing is that I now feel inclined to be more secretive when taking photos, which isn't good for any of us. I should be able to take photos from public spaces without having cops asking me a bunch of questions or threatening me with incarceration. So far most of my bad luck has been in or near airports, but I feel the time will come when trains are also on the banned list.
 
The silly things that other photographers do is irrelevant because it isn't the photography that matters, it's whatever you are doing while you take photos. When one stands in the right of way and takes photographs, the photography isn't the illegal part, it's the trespassing that is illegal. Trespassing is illegal whether you are an idiot with a camera or an idiot walking along the tracks coming home from school.

There are plenty of public areas along right of ways to take photos. There is no reason to trespass.
 
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