PPorro
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OK I didn't quote read it right and good news, I don't spam anything anyway. My personal sites are relatively free of marketing links except the Amazon search box. So I can host my own photos without breaking the rules. Translation appreciated.
I wrote: High ISO means more noise in the shadows, but you lose speed. More depth of field, smaller aperture, means slower shutter speeds, but you need to stop the motion from blurring everything or having juggles. Change one and the others change.
Ryan Asked: Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say here (I haven't had my coffee yet!), but higher ISO gives you more speed, not less (in addition to more noise, although I'm comfortable shooting up to 3200 on a regular basis, and 6400 still gives reasonable results).Yes + Yes. What I mean is, yes you aren't understanding and yes higher ISO gives you more speed.
What I was getting at is, if you change one variable, you change one or two others to balance back to a proper exposure.
More speed = less depth of field.
Slower speed = more depth, but you start to get motion blur
Raise the ISO to increase speed, and keep a smaller aperture and (here's the part that you quoted)
You will get more noise in the shadow area. Your blacks won't be as black and your noise will be higher in all areas.
It's a delicate balance. You can't just say, well less light, hey hit the ISO up a couple notches, and everything is solved.
I generally shoot at ISO 100 all the time, because I want the best image possible. Sometimes that's not possible so I'm forced to shoot at ISO 200. It's a personal choice, because I like more and richer color, less noise. Yes the modern cameras can shoot at ISO 3200, my personal opinion is, it looks terrible.
Anyone who wants, with manual settings for ISO, start at 100 (you can use P or TV or even AV, whatever you want, just so the one thing that you control and change is ISO) Then shoot the same scene, at 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200 and 6400. Now open them and go through one at a time on the computer. First thing you will notice is that about 400 you can see the definition and color go down and noise and grain go up.
There you go, that's all I was pointing out. Personal preference. It's not always the best possible answer because in low light, of course I've just handcuffed myself.
Learn to pan with the motion!
Yes as someone pointed out you lose a stop with a polarizing filter. Maybe more, depending. Also as many have observed windows are dirty, scratched and plastic is not very optically friendly. One of those deals where, the other option is riding on the roof? So we're stuck with some distortion and flaws. The rubber lens shade is a good idea. Useful for many other reasons as well. Reminds me to buy one. Tinted windows aren't really an issue with auto white balance.
Last is a bit of photo philosophy for digital. It's better to get a shot than miss it. Your expense is not in shooting or processing, it's in the equipment. Blast away if you think it's a good shot. Take three and make sure. The film (memory) costs nothing once you own it and can be recycled. Batteries can be recharged.The Delete button is your friend.
But if you get home and don't have the shot you thought you did, then it's very expensive to go back and try to shoot it again?
UP708 ISO 200 overcast day
1/320th @ f/8 135mm
Sorry I don't have any good through a crummy window shots.
I wrote: High ISO means more noise in the shadows, but you lose speed. More depth of field, smaller aperture, means slower shutter speeds, but you need to stop the motion from blurring everything or having juggles. Change one and the others change.
Ryan Asked: Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say here (I haven't had my coffee yet!), but higher ISO gives you more speed, not less (in addition to more noise, although I'm comfortable shooting up to 3200 on a regular basis, and 6400 still gives reasonable results).Yes + Yes. What I mean is, yes you aren't understanding and yes higher ISO gives you more speed.
What I was getting at is, if you change one variable, you change one or two others to balance back to a proper exposure.
More speed = less depth of field.
Slower speed = more depth, but you start to get motion blur
Raise the ISO to increase speed, and keep a smaller aperture and (here's the part that you quoted)
You will get more noise in the shadow area. Your blacks won't be as black and your noise will be higher in all areas.
It's a delicate balance. You can't just say, well less light, hey hit the ISO up a couple notches, and everything is solved.
I generally shoot at ISO 100 all the time, because I want the best image possible. Sometimes that's not possible so I'm forced to shoot at ISO 200. It's a personal choice, because I like more and richer color, less noise. Yes the modern cameras can shoot at ISO 3200, my personal opinion is, it looks terrible.
Anyone who wants, with manual settings for ISO, start at 100 (you can use P or TV or even AV, whatever you want, just so the one thing that you control and change is ISO) Then shoot the same scene, at 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200 and 6400. Now open them and go through one at a time on the computer. First thing you will notice is that about 400 you can see the definition and color go down and noise and grain go up.
There you go, that's all I was pointing out. Personal preference. It's not always the best possible answer because in low light, of course I've just handcuffed myself.
Learn to pan with the motion!
Yes as someone pointed out you lose a stop with a polarizing filter. Maybe more, depending. Also as many have observed windows are dirty, scratched and plastic is not very optically friendly. One of those deals where, the other option is riding on the roof? So we're stuck with some distortion and flaws. The rubber lens shade is a good idea. Useful for many other reasons as well. Reminds me to buy one. Tinted windows aren't really an issue with auto white balance.
Last is a bit of photo philosophy for digital. It's better to get a shot than miss it. Your expense is not in shooting or processing, it's in the equipment. Blast away if you think it's a good shot. Take three and make sure. The film (memory) costs nothing once you own it and can be recycled. Batteries can be recharged.The Delete button is your friend.
But if you get home and don't have the shot you thought you did, then it's very expensive to go back and try to shoot it again?
UP708 ISO 200 overcast day
1/320th @ f/8 135mm
Sorry I don't have any good through a crummy window shots.
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