FWIW, Southwest and Alaska have been doing this for some time. (Well, Alaska started it last year, IIRC; don't know when Southwest did.)Overweight passengers hoping to travel on United Airlines may have to buy two tickets to fly the friendly skies.
The third largest U.S. airline announced Wednesday that it will join other carriers and start charging passengers for two seats if they can't properly fit into one.
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TWO tickets to paradise? Here's the L.A. Times' take on the story:FWIW, Southwest and Alaska have been doing this for some time. (Well, Alaska started it last year, IIRC; don't know when Southwest did.)
We were onto supersonic with the Concord then they had a bad tire--While this policy may offend some people or anger them it really does make sense. If your going to affect another passengers travel by occupying part of that seat you need 2 seats. Although this whole thing doesn't factor another way. When I flew to Italy in 1999 or so there was a very large passenger behind my mom who when trying to recline her seat was met with a banging and yelling calling for the flight attendant. The crew didn't really no what to do... The lady ended up standing most of the flight. Seriously we should either figure out supersonic trans-atlantic or get that rail tunnel started.
Really? You have some evidence that supersonic maglev in a depressurized tunnel can't work?Supersonic can only be done over water anyway
Google Maps doesn't seem to want to help me get swimming directions so I can figure out the distance, but I suspect at something like 350 MPH it could be done mostly overnight.As for the tunnel-- not over my dead body will I take a train through a tunnel for... how many days would it take? Let's ASSUME you can get MAGLEV speeds-- it would still take a day or two to go from London to New York.
I think the thing that is actually expensive for an airliner to deal with is weight more than volume (though volume is also a factor to some extent, or the coach seats would be bigger). Certainly, every airplane has a maximum legal takeoff weight, and one of the factors that can affect passengers being bumped on days with poor weather is more spare fuel being required on that particular day due to weather conditions.As for overweight pax... this is weight discrimination. They make the coach seats too small, they need to make them bigger. (Why don't they want to) because then everybody has to pay a lot more for their seat. Why should you make one group of people pay for everybody else's "comfort" ?
And btw-- broad shoulders and pregnant women would violate Southwest's policy... I remember an article that proved body builders and pregnant women would not be able to fit in by the book, however Southwest gives the latter two groups a pass and only targets the overweight.
I'm 6', average-shouldered, and not skinny by any stretch of the imagination, and I have never had a problem fitting in a coach seat width- OR length-wise. I prefer first class (who doesn't?), but if I don't get my upgrade or I fly an airline I'm not elite with, I'm honestly quite happy in coach (I'd like a bit more recline in order to snooze, but on flights where I don't sleep, I honestly barely notice the difference between first and coach once I get into my movie or whatever--as long as I'm not in a middle seat!).As for overweight pax... this is weight discrimination. They make the coach seats too small, they need to make them bigger. (Why don't they want to) because then everybody has to pay a lot more for their seat. Why should you make one group of people pay for everybody else's "comfort" ?
And btw-- broad shoulders and pregnant women would violate Southwest's policy... I remember an article that proved body builders and pregnant women would not be able to fit in by the book, however Southwest gives the latter two groups a pass and only targets the overweight.
As someone who grew up near an air force base in the 60s and 70s, that's not annoying, that's the sound of Freedom! (Though it did freak out my visiting grandmother, born in 1889.) And didn't someone mention on this forum how he'd miss the double boom of the Shuttle coming in?Supersonic can only be done over water anyway, the boom is just annoying as hell. When approaching land the Concords had to go subsonic IIRC.
Hmm, as a fat person myself, I'd disagree. The seats are what they are. You can buy them or not. If you want a bigger seat, most airlines sell them. They're called first class. I'll admit that I still remember a full flight from Minneapolis to Memphis where the two largest men on the plane (I came in second in this case) were seated together (it was a DC-9, and we were on the 2-seat side). I bought my seatmate a drink.As for overweight pax... this is weight discrimination. They make the coach seats too small, they need to make them bigger. (Why don't they want to) because then everybody has to pay a lot more for their seat. Why should you make one group of people pay for everybody else's "comfort" ?
Yeah, I remember that noise, they used to be a little lax about the rules in the 50s.As someone who grew up near an air force base in the 60s and 70s, that's not annoying, that's the sound of Freedom! (Though it did freak out my visiting grandmother, born in 1889.) And didn't someone mention on this forum how he'd miss the double boom of the Shuttle coming in?Supersonic can only be done over water anyway, the boom is just annoying as hell. When approaching land the Concords had to go subsonic IIRC.
As far as I know, in North Dakota there were no rules.Yeah, I remember that noise, they used to be a little lax about the rules in the 50s.As someone who grew up near an air force base in the 60s and 70s, that's not annoying, that's the sound of Freedom! (Though it did freak out my visiting grandmother, born in 1889.) And didn't someone mention on this forum how he'd miss the double boom of the Shuttle coming in?Supersonic can only be done over water anyway, the boom is just annoying as hell. When approaching land the Concords had to go subsonic IIRC.
:lol: :lol: :lol:Before you guys reply, do you bother reading my posts? I mean... seriously. Out of the three direct responses only ONE understood what the hell I was talking about and I'll give you all a hint-- it was the youngest of ALL of us here.
Was that Minot AFB?As far as I know, in North Dakota there were no rules.Yeah, I remember that noise, they used to be a little lax about the rules in the 50s.As someone who grew up near an air force base in the 60s and 70s, that's not annoying, that's the sound of Freedom! (Though it did freak out my visiting grandmother, born in 1889.) And didn't someone mention on this forum how he'd miss the double boom of the Shuttle coming in?Supersonic can only be done over water anyway, the boom is just annoying as hell. When approaching land the Concords had to go subsonic IIRC.
You bet, "Only the best come North."Was that Minot AFB?As far as I know, in North Dakota there were no rules.Yeah, I remember that noise, they used to be a little lax about the rules in the 50s.As someone who grew up near an air force base in the 60s and 70s, that's not annoying, that's the sound of Freedom! (Though it did freak out my visiting grandmother, born in 1889.) And didn't someone mention on this forum how he'd miss the double boom of the Shuttle coming in?Supersonic can only be done over water anyway, the boom is just annoying as hell. When approaching land the Concords had to go subsonic IIRC.
Are you referring to mental or physical years? That changes a lot, 64=10 so I am 10 mentally :lol: wish my body was younger.I'll give you all a hint-- it was the youngest of ALL of us here.
I visited there as a kid, cousins were Air Force. Lots of BUFFs there.You bet, "Only the best come North."Was that Minot AFB?As far as I know, in North Dakota there were no rules.Yeah, I remember that noise, they used to be a little lax about the rules in the 50s.As someone who grew up near an air force base in the 60s and 70s, that's not annoying, that's the sound of Freedom! (Though it did freak out my visiting grandmother, born in 1889.) And didn't someone mention on this forum how he'd miss the double boom of the Shuttle coming in?Supersonic can only be done over water anyway, the boom is just annoying as hell. When approaching land the Concords had to go subsonic IIRC.
BUFFs, Delta Darts, missiles, helicopters and armored cars for the security police, pretty much the whole shooting match. Every Soviet map of the US I have ever seen features Minot. Sure, that's partly because you want to have a few cities everywhere on the map, but Minot is there when larger plains cities (Fargo, Billings) aren't. Even in the liveliest parts of the Cold War, we never worried about nuclear war. We knew we'd be vaporized.I visited there as a kid, cousins were Air Force. Lots of BUFFs there.You bet, "Only the best come North."Was that Minot AFB?As far as I know, in North Dakota there were no rules.Yeah, I remember that noise, they used to be a little lax about the rules in the 50s.As someone who grew up near an air force base in the 60s and 70s, that's not annoying, that's the sound of Freedom! (Though it did freak out my visiting grandmother, born in 1889.) And didn't someone mention on this forum how he'd miss the double boom of the Shuttle coming in?Supersonic can only be done over water anyway, the boom is just annoying as hell. When approaching land the Concords had to go subsonic IIRC.
The closest Cold War hardware to me; Marin Headlands Nike missile site;BUFFs, Delta Darts, missiles, helicopters and armored cars for the security police, pretty much the whole shooting match. Every Soviet map of the US I have ever seen features Minot. Sure, that's partly because you want to have a few cities everywhere on the map, but Minot is there when larger plains cities (Fargo, Billings) aren't. Even in the liveliest parts of the Cold War, we never worried about nuclear war. We knew we'd be vaporized.
The B-52s and missiles are still there. You must be able to see silos from the Empire Builder, but for some reason they are more noticeable when driving. I'll have to pay better attention next month when I go to Minot.
That is such a neat site. I visited it ten years ago, and enjoyed it thoroughly. If you like coastal fortifications, the Bay Area is paradise, from 18th century Spanish batteries to that Nike site. Let's say that on that trip I found out Mrs. Ispolkom's limits for coastal fortifications. Apparently there are other reasons to go to San Francisco.The closest Cold War hardware to me; Marin Headlands Nike missile site;BUFFs, Delta Darts, missiles, helicopters and armored cars for the security police, pretty much the whole shooting match. Every Soviet map of the US I have ever seen features Minot. Sure, that's partly because you want to have a few cities everywhere on the map, but Minot is there when larger plains cities (Fargo, Billings) aren't. Even in the liveliest parts of the Cold War, we never worried about nuclear war. We knew we'd be vaporized.
The B-52s and missiles are still there. You must be able to see silos from the Empire Builder, but for some reason they are more noticeable when driving. I'll have to pay better attention next month when I go to Minot.
Oh yeah, almost forgot, the building my job works out of used to be a spent fuel rod storage facility for nuclear subs, on Mare Island.
Like Fort Point under the GG bridge. Where my wife and I shared our first kiss. These places are quite romantic you know.That is such a neat site. I visited it ten years ago, and enjoyed it thoroughly. If you like coastal fortifications, the Bay Area is paradise, from 18th century Spanish batteries to that Nike site. Let's say that on that trip I found out Mrs. Ispolkom's limits for coastal fortifications. Apparently there are other reasons to go to San Francisco.
Romantic in small doses, I found. I've learned. On our rail trip east in November I've planned one morning in Savannah to visit Fort Pulaski. That's it. Plus, it's a photogenic 3rd system fort like Fort Point. Not a less-appealing WW2 installation like Battery Townsley, which I think has a sort of art deco allure to it. As I'm sure you know, marriage is all about capitulation negotiation.Like Fort Point under the GG bridge. Where my wife and I shared our first kiss. These places are quite romantic you know.
Of course, that's how you avoid breaking noses.Romantic in small doses, I found. I've learned. On our rail trip east in November I've planned one morning in Savannah to visit Fort Pulaski. That's it. Plus, it's a photogenic 3rd system fort like Fort Point. Not a less-appealing WW2 installation like Battery Townsley, which I think has a sort of art deco allure to it. As I'm sure you know, marriage is all about capitulation negotiation.
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