WHICH ENGINE IS BETTER

[AlanB]

I get new neighbors that move out of town to dairy country where I live. Then the September heat waves come, right when the ranchers are manuring the fields. Complaints galore. They have nothing to complain about. I was raised a city boy, but I love that smell, it reminds me I'd rather live here than in town.

That's good to hear. Just got back from working- spreading manure on the field.

what ever happened to the f40 it used to have good horns did they give all to other railroads is there atleast one left

While the list is not complete, you can find out where many of the F40's went by checking out this list.

 

[frj1983]

I get new neighbors that move out of town to dairy country where I live. Then the September heat waves come, right when the ranchers are manuring the fields. Complaints galore. They have nothing to complain about. I was raised a city boy, but I love that smell, it reminds me I'd rather live here than in town.

That's good to hear. Just got back from working- spreading manure on the field.

what ever happened to the f40 it used to have good horns did they give all to other railroads is there atleast one left

While the list is not complete, you can find out where many of the F40's went by checking out this list.

Damn,

I really miss those F40's! Luckily I can still see and hear a few riding Metra! But I still miss seeing them on Amtrak!

 

[jis]

I really miss those F40's! Luckily I can still see and hear a few riding Metra! But I still miss seeing them on Amtrak!

Egads! They were noisy as hell, with their HEP system causing the engine to scream along even when not moving an inch.

 

[OlympianHiawatha]

I really miss those F40's! Luckily I can still see and hear a few riding Metra! But I still miss seeing them on Amtrak!

Egads! They were noisy as hell, with their HEP system causing the engine to scream along even when not moving an inch.

While not quite the "real" thing, I get to still enjoy seeing one in Amtrak livery as part of the Heartland Flyer consist, but must admit that train looks much sleeker on the rare occasion the Cabbage is out for service and P42s are on both ends.

 

[frj1983]

I really miss those F40's! Luckily I can still see and hear a few riding Metra! But I still miss seeing them on Amtrak!

Egads! They were noisy as hell, with their HEP system causing the engine to scream along even when not moving an inch.

I know,

That's what I loved about 'em, that sound of power and a seeming sense of impatience to be on it's way!

 

[amtrakwolverine]

some later models had a extra diesel engine installed to run the HEP. you could tell which ones they were besides the fact they could idle quietly by a extra muffler near the rear of the engine.

 

[George Harris]

yeah they build a sub division right next to the tracks people move in and then want the horns banned cause its too loud. well why the hell move next to the tracks if it bothers you.

I couldn't agree with you more, Kiss Alive. That kind of thinking has never made any sense to me. The tracks were there first!!!

I get new neighbors that move out of town to dairy country where I live. Then the September heat waves come, right when the ranchers are manuring the fields. Complaints galore. They have nothing to complain about. I was raised a city boy, but I love that smell, it reminds me I'd rather live here than in town.

Same here. I live in a rural area and we get people moving from the city and from other states specificially to this area so they can enjoy rural life but then complain about it. They complain about the noise from farm machinery. They complain about the dust. (That's what happens when you live in an area that gets 15 inches of rain a year!). They complain about the noise and smell from cows, horses, hogs, and sheep. They complain about living on gravel roads (You're going to get unpaved roads in a county that's twice the size of Rhode Island and a very small tax base) and complain about the "slow" response times of emergency vehicles. (Gee, the fact they live 15 miles from the nearest town, like they wanted in the first place, might have something to do with it!!!) In fact, Petaluma, you might be interested to know that in our region, there is a generic name for folks who move here from out of state and complain about everything and try to tell the locals how to live. These people are called "Californians". :lol: :lol: :lol:

This happens to be one of my major gripes, also. Where I grew up we used to get people moving into the area due to the low taxes, and then do nothing but complain about such thins as: the fire department is your neighbors with hoses, the local library has wheels (the bookmobile), gravel roads, random power outages on our REA coop, train horns, etc., etc. Then there were those that happend to end up down wind of a diary farm. Need I say more?

And when some of these people take a job in a foreign country? Classic example: One new guy into Taipei went to a Wendy's for lunch and was having difficulty becuase the counter people spoke no English. I asked, "Would you expect to find someone behind the counter at a fast food place in the US that spoke Chinese if you were there and spoke no English?" He could not make the connection. People like this should never move away form a big city suburban area.

 

[Guest]

yeah they build a sub division right next to the tracks people move in and then want the horns banned cause its too loud. well why the hell move next to the tracks if it bothers you.

I couldn't agree with you more, Kiss Alive. That kind of thinking has never made any sense to me. The tracks were there first!!!

I get new neighbors that move out of town to dairy country where I live. Then the September heat waves come, right when the ranchers are manuring the fields. Complaints galore. They have nothing to complain about. I was raised a city boy, but I love that smell, it reminds me I'd rather live here than in town.

Same here. I live in a rural area and we get people moving from the city and from other states specificially to this area so they can enjoy rural life but then complain about it. They complain about the noise from farm machinery. They complain about the dust. (That's what happens when you live in an area that gets 15 inches of rain a year!). They complain about the noise and smell from cows, horses, hogs, and sheep. They complain about living on gravel roads (You're going to get unpaved roads in a county that's twice the size of Rhode Island and a very small tax base) and complain about the "slow" response times of emergency vehicles. (Gee, the fact they live 15 miles from the nearest town, like they wanted in the first place, might have something to do with it!!!) In fact, Petaluma, you might be interested to know that in our region, there is a generic name for folks who move here from out of state and complain about everything and try to tell the locals how to live. These people are called "Californians". :lol: :lol: :lol:

This happens to be one of my major gripes, also. Where I grew up we used to get people moving into the area due to the low taxes, and then do nothing but complain about such thins as: the fire department is your neighbors with hoses, the local library has wheels (the bookmobile), gravel roads, random power outages on our REA coop, train horns, etc., etc. Then there were those that happend to end up down wind of a diary farm. Need I say more?

And when some of these people take a job in a foreign country? Classic example: One new guy into Taipei went to a Wendy's for lunch and was having difficulty becuase the counter people spoke no English. I asked, "Would you expect to find someone behind the counter at a fast food place in the US that spoke Chinese if you were there and spoke no English?" He could not make the connection. People like this should never move away form a big city suburban area.

um thanks for all of your coments i just love k5las

rayray

 

[VentureForth]

Is this thread about engines or horns?

hey you all on my trip to califonia last year i was on the southwest chief when i over heard two railfans arguing over the p42 and the f59phi one said that the the p42 has a better k5la and the other said.... but im going to ask you guys because i know you all are good railfans so please which one is better im going with the p42 aways has a differnt k5la :lol:

I'm pretty sure they both use K5LA horns. The P42 is a more specialized engine, designed for use in the New York tunnels- or rather, they are designed to run through them dead, whereas the F59PHI wouldn't fit. The F59PHI is an EMD engine, I think prior to the GM sale, which would mean they are probably more reliable. The F59PHI is just a modified GP, I think. I'm sure the P42 is considerably more expensive.

I heard from those that have driven the F59PHIs that the F59PH is more reliable than the F59PHI. Though mechanically the same, apparently the total I package (including an insulated cab and a totally different chassis) has reliability issues. The crews I've spoken with say that the F59PHIs are more comfortable, but the F59PHs are more reliable.

Weird, I know...

 

[Guest]

Is this thread about engines or horns?

hey you all on my trip to califonia last year i was on the southwest chief when i over heard two railfans arguing over the p42 and the f59phi one said that the the p42 has a better k5la and the other said.... but im going to ask you guys because i know you all are good railfans so please which one is better im going with the p42 aways has a differnt k5la :lol:

I'm pretty sure they both use K5LA horns. The P42 is a more specialized engine, designed for use in the New York tunnels- or rather, they are designed to run through them dead, whereas the F59PHI wouldn't fit. The F59PHI is an EMD engine, I think prior to the GM sale, which would mean they are probably more reliable. The F59PHI is just a modified GP, I think. I'm sure the P42 is considerably more expensive.

I heard from those that have driven the F59PHIs that the F59PH is more reliable than the F59PHI. Though mechanically the same, apparently the total I package (including an insulated cab and a totally different chassis) has reliability issues. The crews I've spoken with say that the F59PHIs are more comfortable, but the F59PHs are more reliable.

Weird, I know...

i just love riding along the coast of california listening to that k5la

 

[battalion51]

I really miss those F40's! Luckily I can still see and hear a few riding Metra! But I still miss seeing them on Amtrak!

Egads! They were noisy as hell, with their HEP system causing the engine to scream along even when not moving an inch.

I know,

That's what I loved about 'em, that sound of power and a seeming sense of impatience to be on it's way!

There's a reason they got the nickname "screamers." :lol:

 

[Guest]

I really miss those F40's! Luckily I can still see and hear a few riding Metra! But I still miss seeing them on Amtrak!

Egads! They were noisy as hell, with their HEP system causing the engine to scream along even when not moving an inch.

I know,

That's what I loved about 'em, that sound of power and a seeming sense of impatience to be on it's way!

There's a reason they got the nickname "screamers." :lol:

the f40 and the p40 are they comparable

 

[Crescent ATN & TCL]

what you do is take one of those horns install it on your vehical and drive it to a quite zone were the horns are banned and BLAST IT all through town.

Quite zones really bother me. I was in Williamsburg, Va last week and CSX coal trains rolled through town at 70 without making the slightest noise. You had no idea they were coming til you saw them.

 

[amtrakwolverine]

what you do is take one of those horns install it on your vehical and drive it to a quite zone were the horns are banned and BLAST IT all through town.

Quite zones really bother me. I was in Williamsburg, Va last week and CSX coal trains rolled through town at 70 without making the slightest noise. You had no idea they were coming til you saw them.

well csx used to be nicked name the sleeping cat. it was said that there trains were so quite it wouldn't wake a sleeping cat.

 

[Guest]

what you do is take one of those horns install it on your vehical and drive it to a quite zone were the horns are banned and BLAST IT all through town.

Quite zones really bother me. I was in Williamsburg, Va last week and CSX coal trains rolled through town at 70 without making the slightest noise. You had no idea they were coming til you saw them.

well csx used to be nicked name the sleeping cat. it was said that there trains were so quite it wouldn't wake a sleeping cat.

what engines were on the csx train you saw :huh:

 

[Crescent ATN & TCL]

what you do is take one of those horns install it on your vehical and drive it to a quite zone were the horns are banned and BLAST IT all through town.

Quite zones really bother me. I was in Williamsburg, Va last week and CSX coal trains rolled through town at 70 without making the slightest noise. You had no idea they were coming til you saw them.

well csx used to be nicked name the sleeping cat. it was said that there trains were so quite it wouldn't wake a sleeping cat.

what engines were on the csx train you saw :huh:

I'm not entirely sure, but they were new and in the newest paint scheme. I would probably guess AC4400's since AC is the general loco used on coal drags. The detector read out 612 axles which would mean 2 6 axle locos and 250 4 axle coal cars, which seemed to be the standard consist for the constant parade of coal trains that came through. The length also makes me thin AC because a DC would have a hard time getting the consist underway without overheating the traction motors.

 

[Guest rayray cresent]

what you do is take one of those horns install it on your vehical and drive it to a quite zone were the horns are banned and BLAST IT all through town.

Quite zones really bother me. I was in Williamsburg, Va last week and CSX coal trains rolled through town at 70 without making the slightest noise. You had no idea they were coming til you saw them.

well csx used to be nicked name the sleeping cat. it was said that there trains were so quite it wouldn't wake a sleeping cat.

what engines were on the csx train you saw :huh:

I'm not entirely sure, but they were new and in the newest paint scheme. I would probably guess AC4400's since AC is the general loco used on coal drags. The detector read out 612 axles which would mean 2 6 axle locos and 250 4 axle coal cars, which seemed to be the standard consist for the constant parade of coal trains that came through. The length also makes me thin AC because a DC would have a hard time getting the consist underway without overheating the traction motors.

are you sure you werent wering ear muffs :lol:

 

[amtrakwolverine]

ok did some searching for the sleeping cat.

Starting in 1934, Chessie a napping catwas depicted with the slogan" Sleep like a kitten"

and later "Purrfect tansportation' to promote C&O

sleeping services on overnight trains. Soon 'the

image and the company had become inseparable

said Charles W. Turner, Thomas W' Dixon Jr. and

Eugen L. Huddleston in Chessie's Road'

The name Prevailed n 1973 when the

C&O, Baltimore & Ohio and Western Maryland

combined as the Chessie system.

 

[Crescent ATN & TCL]

what you do is take one of those horns install it on your vehical and drive it to a quite zone were the horns are banned and BLAST IT all through town.

Quite zones really bother me. I was in Williamsburg, Va last week and CSX coal trains rolled through town at 70 without making the slightest noise. You had no idea they were coming til you saw them.

well csx used to be nicked name the sleeping cat. it was said that there trains were so quite it wouldn't wake a sleeping cat.

what engines were on the csx train you saw :huh:

I'm not entirely sure, but they were new and in the newest paint scheme. I would probably guess AC4400's since AC is the general loco used on coal drags. The detector read out 612 axles which would mean 2 6 axle locos and 250 4 axle coal cars, which seemed to be the standard consist for the constant parade of coal trains that came through. The length also makes me thin AC because a DC would have a hard time getting the consist underway without overheating the traction motors.

are you sure you werent wering ear muffs :lol:

Nope, that's the scary part, no noise, no warning, nothing. That's why quiet zones should be renamed "death zones", its bound to happen. With continuous weld rail, quieter diesels, quieter trucks, etc. the horn and the bell is all you hear on most trains now.

 

[frj1983]

ok did some searching for the sleeping cat.

Starting in 1934, Chessie a napping catwas depicted with the slogan" Sleep like a kitten"

and later "Purrfect tansportation' to promote C&O

sleeping services on overnight trains. Soon 'the

image and the company had become inseparable

said Charles W. Turner, Thomas W' Dixon Jr. and

Eugen L. Huddleston in Chessie's Road'

The name Prevailed n 1973 when the

C&O, Baltimore & Ohio and Western Maryland

combined as the Chessie system.

Yes there's a marvelous little book called:

Chessie: the Railroad Kitten by Thomas Dixon

That explains the whole development with pictures and much more! I just rearranged and reshelved my books this last weekend and took a quick peek at it again! Great book, but it's out of print.

 

[amtrakwolverine]

ok did some searching for the sleeping cat.

Starting in 1934, Chessie a napping catwas depicted with the slogan" Sleep like a kitten"

and later "Purrfect tansportation' to promote C&O

sleeping services on overnight trains. Soon 'the

image and the company had become inseparable

said Charles W. Turner, Thomas W' Dixon Jr. and

Eugen L. Huddleston in Chessie's Road'

The name Prevailed n 1973 when the

C&O, Baltimore & Ohio and Western Maryland

combined as the Chessie system.

Yes there's a marvelous little book called:

Chessie: the Railroad Kitten by Thomas Dixon

That explains the whole development with pictures and much more! I just rearranged and reshelved my books this last weekend and took a quick peek at it again! Great book, but it's out of print.

well search ebay for the book. im sure someone has it

 

[ray ray]

what you do is take one of those horns install it on your vehical and drive it to a quite zone were the horns are banned and BLAST IT all through town.

Quite zones really bother me. I was in Williamsburg, Va last week and CSX coal trains rolled through town at 70 without making the slightest noise. You had no idea they were coming til you saw them.

well csx used to be nicked name the sleeping cat. it was said that there trains were so quite it wouldn't wake a sleeping cat.

what engines were on the csx train you saw :huh:

I'm not entirely sure, but they were new and in the newest paint scheme. I would probably guess AC4400's since AC is the general loco used on coal drags. The detector read out 612 axles which would mean 2 6 axle locos and 250 4 axle coal cars, which seemed to be the standard consist for the constant parade of coal trains that came through. The length also makes me thin AC because a DC would have a hard time getting the consist underway without overheating the traction motors.

are you sure you werent wering ear muffs :lol:

Nope, that's the scary part, no noise, no warning, nothing. That's why quiet zones should be renamed "death zones", its bound to happen. With continuous weld rail, quieter diesels, quieter trucks, etc. the horn and the bell is all you hear on most trains now.

thats kind of better but you might not hear the k5la if they dont blow not all engineers do

 

[Green Maned Lion]

Nope, that's the scary part, no noise, no warning, nothing. That's why quiet zones should be renamed "death zones", its bound to happen. With continuous weld rail, quieter diesels, quieter trucks, etc. the horn and the bell is all you hear on most trains now.

I've never stood near the tracks carrying a train that didn't shake the ground something awful.

 

[battalion51]

You know I have to say, it is an odd sensation. I've taken pictures in the Tri-Rail Quiet Zone, and it's just weird seeing them fly over crossings without a peep. Back in 2005 I went railfanning along the banks of the Hudson in Columbiaville, NY. Since it's right along the Hudson there's no crossings, we were pretty much just having to sit there and get our cameras ready based on figuring out when the trains would hit based on distance from the closest station stop. The Northbound trains we could generally hear the diesels chugging along since they were getting up to speed after a station stop. But with the southbounds that were already running at speed you had no warning until you saw a headlight. We definitely missed getting video of a southbound ballast train because we weren't paying attention, and almost missed a southbound passenger train because we were looking the other way. If you listen closely you can hear my buddy say "I didn't know that was coming."

 

[jackal]

I'm not entirely sure, but they were new and in the newest paint scheme. I would probably guess AC4400's since AC is the general loco used on coal drags. The detector read out 612 axles which would mean 2 6 axle locos and 250 4 axle coal cars, which seemed to be the standard consist for the constant parade of coal trains that came through. The length also makes me thin AC because a DC would have a hard time getting the consist underway without overheating the traction motors.

I think you mean 150 4-axle coal cars! 250 would be a train over two miles long and certainly wouldn't be able to be pulled (even empty, probably) by two locomotives. I have heard of some two-mile-long trains running on the BNSF Transcon (can't remember if they're stack trains or unit trains), but those top out at 10,000' (250 would be 12,500') and have serious power (including DP--dual power--pushing from the back). Plus, the math works better with 150 cars...

I'm not even sure I'd believe two motors pulling 150 cars--the Alaska Railroad uses four SD70MACs (providing 16,000 hp) in a dual-power configuration to move a 100-car freight train over grades that are probably less than what CSX sees (and certainly less than what BNSF and UP see out west). Unless they're empties and on relatively flat ground, I'm not sure that any two six-axled locomotives--even two 6,250-hp SD90MACs, which CSX never had, or the 6,250-hp GE AC6000CW or the 5,000-hp SD80MACs, which they do--could handle 150 cars.

Is it possible there are more engines, including pushing from the back that one may not notice when first looking at the train coming by? Four six-axle engines and 147 cars would be much more believable for me...