Interesting to see how almost everyone rises in brave defense of indiscipline, and some taking the trouble to blame the messenger. These are the signs of the time I suppose.Pure hogwash !!! :angry: I wish that TV stations would be more careful in their story selection. Must have been a slow news day. I'd like to see these people switch a chemical plant for 8-10 hours without a break. Maybe then they would appreciate a burger to go. :angry: :angry: :angry:
Sure is funny how those who haven't "walked the walk" like to climb on those who have been there and done that. The mosquitoes were so big, and we had no A/C, that we almost needed a transfusion after 12 hours in the middle of the woods at a chemical plant or in a siding somewhere. Civilization and a burger stand were like going to heaven. Sign of the times my happy butt~ 37 years behind the throttle you can't take away from someone. Now put that in your baggage car and stuff it !!!Interesting to see how almost everyone rises in brave defense of indiscipline, and some taking the trouble to blame the messenger. These are the signs of the time I suppose.Pure hogwash !!! :angry: I wish that TV stations would be more careful in their story selection. Must have been a slow news day. I'd like to see these people switch a chemical plant for 8-10 hours without a break. Maybe then they would appreciate a burger to go. :angry: :angry: :angry:
Gosh that was a harrowing experience!Sure is funny how those who haven't "walked the walk" like to climb on those who have been there and done that. The mosquitoes were so big, and we had no A/C, that we almost needed a transfusion after 12 hours in the middle of the woods at a chemical plant or in a siding somewhere. Civilization and a burger stand were like going to heaven.
I can't wait for the 6 o'clock National News. The opening headline might very well be, "A Yellow Cab, with no revenue pax, was seen occupying a parking spot at a downtown Sonic. The driver said he hadn't eaten in two days but Yellow Cab officials promised to reprimand him for taking up a parking space."Gosh that was a harrowing experience!Sure is funny how those who haven't "walked the walk" like to climb on those who have been there and done that. The mosquitoes were so big, and we had no A/C, that we almost needed a transfusion after 12 hours in the middle of the woods at a chemical plant or in a siding somewhere. Civilization and a burger stand were like going to heaven.
Nobody is denying that things are never back and white and there can be extenuating circumstances for breaking a rule. However there is nothing in the story about the Railrunner incident that there were any such in this case.
Taking a consist back to a yard for storage and servicing after its last relatively short commuter run on a scheduled railroad in air conditioned comfort in the middle of a city comes nowhere near the experience of switching a chemical plant in the middle of nowhere for 8-10 hours.
It is the job of the news media to bring to our collective attention things that they discern to be out of the ordinary, and it is the job of the whistle blower organizations to look for such. We depend on them as a stable society to bring disorderly things to our collective attention. We depend on that equally on Wall Street and Main Street, and admittedly sometimes it works well and sometimes not. That's the way the world flows.
Well put LION....as you know I get very passionate about train crews. I wonder why...Jay,
You know I sympathize with the train crew more often than other entities, and in this case, I happen to side more with you than with Jishnu. However, what I think Jishnu is saying is that crew are breaking rules (I don't know- maybe they are, maybe they aren't, I don't have all the information), and he is amused that various forum members are, in Jishnu's view, condoning and defending the practice of violating rules.
Now, from what I have read, I am under the impression that many railroad rules are there for safety in spirit, intent, and word. And many others, while they may have the spirit of safety, are there more for management having a way to fully assign blame as they see fit and to give them excuses for dismissing employees.
In this instance, what I know of the situation allows me to make the only semi-informed conclusion that Given:
1) If they did not follow all the letter of the law, they are in violation of the rules.
2) They did not, according to sources, block vehicular traffic.
3) They did not, according to the sources, produce a situation rendering a reduction in real world safety.
4) They were not delaying operations relying on them specifically.
5) They were not delaying traffic on the main line.
Therefore:
They did not adhere to the letter of a rule, just like hundreds of other rules that are interpreted for functional safety and expedient operation rather than crossing Ts and dotting Is, lest the railroad move at an average speed of 5 mph with crew members foaming at the mouth and dropping dead on their feet. And thus the violation is unimportant, and making news of it is like making a story out of a parked police car at a donut shop.
I hope, though, that I helped you understand Jishnu's point of view, though, assuming my own interpretation is correct.
What was he (maybe I should say this person) supposed to be doing at the time he was taking the picture? Was he failing to zealously perform his function as an employee of the state of New Mexico while he was out playing photographer? Was he using his cell phone while driving? Does it sound like it could be that the wrong person got the reprimand in this situation?He says a tip came in on his site from an anonymous state employee who took pictures of the crew walking back to the train with their food.
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