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When they finally merge under one operating certificate in a few month's, that should be (I hope) the last of the "Cactus" call sign on air traffic radio..... ;)
I kinda like the Cactus call sign. Kinda like Citrus, and Blue Streak.
I always liked "Clipper"...... :)
I'm partial to "Dynasty." :)
British Air still uses "Speedbird" which I've always liked. They took it from BOAC; and abandoned BAE's "Bealine" (which is kinda cute...)

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The aircraft livery decision for the new AA has been opened up to a vote by the employees of AA and US. The choice is between the new AA livery, including the flag tail, and the new AA livery, but with the old AA tail. My vote would be for the traditional AA tail, but I'm beginning to warm just a tiny little bit to the new tail.

In other news, AA will retain existing US heritage livery aircraft (Allegheny, PSA, Piedmont), and will add new heritage livery aircraft representing pre-merger AA and US, and TWA.

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My favorite AA livery was the 'Astrojet' era. come to think of it....I like just about all of the airline liveries that came in the early sixties as the 'jet age' took off....

AA can cetainly field a huge collection of 'heritage' liveries, like an airborne Norfolk Southern, if they wanted to.....
 
American ordered a bunch of Bombardier and Embraer regional jets for their regional subsidiaries....http://hub.aa.com/en/nr/pressrelease/american-airlines-announces-large-regional-jet-purchase
That news release indicated that the new Bombardier's would be operated by former USAir regional subsidiary PSA, but that they haven't decided which carrier would get the new Embraer's. Today, an internal communication http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/12/union-american-eagle-pilots-receive-new-contract-proposal-warning-from-management.html/ revealed that they are negotiating with former AA's regional subsidiary, American Eagle Airlines, ALPA pilot's union for certain concession's in order to award them the new Embraer's. It should be known that USAir owned PSA and Piedmont as regional subsidiaries, AA owned American Eagle Airlines. In additon, AA had previously contracted with other non-owned regional carrier's to operated at first as 'American Connections', but later also marketed them under the American Eagle brand. Now with the merger, they will market all the owned and nonowned regional's under the American Eagle brand....it gets kind of confusing..... :huh:
 
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Someone I know just flew US and AA back-to-back. This person has ridden both Amtrak and Greyhound multiple times, but he's not a transport enthusiast, doesn't know the equipment well. Basic report on the experience:

1. Airports at Phoenix and Dallas were both very nice.

2. Legroom was poor, much worse than Greyhound and much much worse than Amtrak.

3. Seats on US were not as comfortable as AA.

4. Service on US was better than AA.

5. AA's MD-83 was very loud at the back.

6. Both have some slight delays.

I can ask for more details if anyone's interested.
 
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I don't think there is anything earthshaking there. I've done both US and AA countless times. Head-to-head comparisons of US and AA in-flight will flip from one circumstance to another. Any aircraft with engines on the tail will sound loud near the back of the cabin, just as any turboprop will sound loud in the row of seats that is aligned with prop rotation.
 
I don't think there is anything earthshaking there. I've done both US and AA countless times. Head-to-head comparisons of US and AA in-flight will flip from one circumstance to another. Any aircraft with engines on the tail will sound loud near the back of the cabin, just as any turboprop will sound loud in the row of seats that is aligned with prop rotation.
Well of course, I made it clear to him that the MD-83 was very loud because he was sitting right by the engine. I personally quite like the old Mad Dogs. I do agree that US seats are probably worse than AA. Service, I mean, it depends on the crew.
 
I like the MD-80's, too.....like the classic Douglas nose, like the flat ceiling, like the two and three seating. I especially like to watch them "power-back" from the gates without the use of a tractor---something you won't see on a 'plane with engine mounted wings.... :)
 
The votes are in....

Doug Parker, CEO of American Airlines Group announced on its Jetwire yesterday that the votes were:

31,355 for the new 'flag' tail

29,063 for the legacy 'AA' tail......

So, the ugly tail wins by a small majority.....

Just as well.....I personally would just as soon not see the classic tail on what AA has become nowadays..... :(
 
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This will put the idea that the tail might grow on me to the test. In the end, it is what happens inside the plane that really matters. Just because other airline crews are laughing and hiding their eyes is not a factor.

Next, AAdvantage and US Dividend Miles members will be assuming the crash position in anticipation of the program "enhancements" coming soon. I guess I always have the option to go back to my first love, United. You always remember your first.
 
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I saw a bunch of the tails on my 4 trips through HNL in the past 2 weeks. My reaction has softened from "EWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!" to "Jeez, that's ugly".

But you're dead on, they can put anything they want to on the outside, it's the product on the inside that really matters.
 
I'll just repeat what I said in the last thread about the new tail design:

I like the brushed silver with the modern font, but that tail graphic makes me think, "'Murrica..."
Edit: Okay, okay... I know the company is "American", so of course they're going to use red/white/blue, but it's just... it screams at me. There are more subtle ways of incorporating the colors, especially since it has "American" plastered on the side.

It just reminds me of everyone trying to out-patriot-pride each other. I feel like the plane needs truck nuts and an NRA sticker.

tl;dr - they need a different tail graphic.
 
I'll just repeat what I said in the last thread about the new tail design:

I like the brushed silver with the modern font, but that tail graphic makes me think, "'Murrica..."

Edit: Okay, okay... I know the company is "American", so of course they're going to use red/white/blue, but it's just... it screams at me. There are more subtle ways of incorporating the colors, especially since it has "American" plastered on the side.

It just reminds me of everyone trying to out-patriot-pride each other. I feel like the plane needs truck nuts and an NRA sticker.

tl;dr - they need a different tail graphic.
You forgot missiles and machine guns.

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This will put the idea that the tail might grow on me to the test. In the end, it is what happens inside the plane that really matters. Just because other airline crews are laughing and hiding their eyes is not a factor.

Next, AAdvantage and US Dividend Miles members will be assuming the crash position in anticipation of the program "enhancements" coming soon. I guess I always have the option to go back to my first love, United. You always remember your first.
Back in the Day when I was a Regular Business Traveler I was among the First Members of the AA Advantage and United's Frequent Flyer Programs! I Earned Many,Many Free Flights, Used the Lounges and other Perks over the Years and Enjoyed Them Greatly! Unfortunately Due to the Millions of Members and the Ever Increasing Number of Airline Passengers Coupled with Flight Cutbacks, these Programs are Becoming Less Valuable all the Time! Those Fortunate Enough to have their Employer Pay for their Travel still get to Enjoy these Programs but if Paying Yourself they are Not a Value IMO!!

I Choose to Fly Amtrak Now that I'm Retired so I'm Glad we still have AGR (and the AGR Credit Card and Rewards Cards from Chase), it's Still One of the Best Loyalty Programs Out There! Hopefully Amtrak wont Follow the Airlines Policies when it comes to Loyalty Programs! ;)

And I'm with the "Butt Ugly"Crowd when it Comes to AAs New Flying Colors Design!!
 
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Judging by the reactions here....I can't help wondering how credible those 'vote results' really are.....
 
So how many posters on the AU forum are employees of AA or US? ;) what do the opinions of those that are not even eligible to vote matter in that particular decision making process?
No idea, but they had a voting contest on Facebook if that says anything. Of course, I highly doubt they took those votes into consideration, but it was fun to watch the comment thread. :) Some people came up with some pretty cool designs.
 
So how many posters on the AU forum are employees of AA or US? ;) what do the opinions of those that are not even eligible to vote matter in that particular decision making process?
It doesn't matter.....but, ...whether an employee or not, the opinion's expressed here can be taken as a 'barometer' of opinion's in general of that design.

My opinion is that the person(s) who paid a lofty fee to a consultng firm to come up with that new design would be embarrassed if they had to give it up, and repaint the aircraft back to the old design....

Just sayin'.......
 
Speaking of designing firms, I would be shocked if the new design was done by the firm that did their former classic design--none other than the house of Henry Dreyfuss...yes, that Henry Dreyfuss, of The Twentieth Century Linmited, among others, fame.....
 
LAX seeking court permission to sue American Airlines for back rent

In an attempt to recover back payments from American Airlines for space at Los Angeles International Airport, the city has asked a federal bankruptcy judge in New York to allow it to proceed with legal action against the carrier in a California federal court.

American, now the world’s largest carrier, exited Chapter 11 bankruptcy in December when it completed its merger with US Airways. According to a court filing, Los Angeles World Airports officials contend they are owed $21.5 million, plus interest, which the airline should now pay since it is no longer in bankruptcy. But the old company — AMR Corp. — no longer exists. It was replaced last month by American Airlines Group.

“Since December 31, 2010, American has underpaid its rental invoices from LAWA by a total of $21,556,915.70,” lawyers for Los Angeles wrote in court documents. “Of this amount, $5,710,738.65 accrued prior to American’s chapter 11 petition on November 29, 2011 and $15,846,177.05 has accrued since the filing of American’s chapter 11 petition.”

According to the bankruptcy court filing, Los Angeles wants to take legal action against American in federal district court in Los Angeles regarding a contractual issue. It needs permission from a bankruptcy judge to do so.

At issue is American’s long-term lease for Terminal 4. The city contends, according to court documents, that it can recover not only rent, but also funds for “maintenance and operations” of Terminal 4. The sides disagree on whether American can continue to avoid paying these costs, called “M&O,” and the city seeks to have a federal judge in Los Angeles decide the question. M&O fees pay for matters such as security and roadway upkeep.
 
Speaking of designing firms, I would be shocked if the new design was done by the firm that did their former classic design--none other than the house of Henry Dreyfuss...yes, that Henry Dreyfuss, of The Twentieth Century Linmited, among others, fame.....
Speaking of Henry Dreyfuss, here is the original "Henry Dreyfuss" interior on the Braniff 707. Yes, it's a 707-227, a very rare airliner.

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Speaking of designing firms, I would be shocked if the new design was done by the firm that did their former classic design--none other than the house of Henry Dreyfuss...yes, that Henry Dreyfuss, of The Twentieth Century Linmited, among others, fame.....
Speaking of Henry Dreyfuss, here is the original "Henry Dreyfuss" interior on the Braniff 707. Yes, it's a 707-227, a very rare airliner.

707227int.jpg
Wow, every gentleman in the shot is wearing a suit. Now I'm grateful when the guy I sit next to has a shirt with sleeves.
 
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