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Oreius

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I’ve rescheduled a Florida trip for September 6-going from Elizabethtown to Kissimmee, FL. I’m guessing Amtrak is only operating 1 daily train to Florida at this time. I am on the 91 Silver Star, leaving PHL at 12:35 PM and arriving at KIS AT 10:44 AM the next day. I know that the Star was supposed to get a dedicated lounge/diner for the sleepers, but with the coronavirus I’m not sure if this has changed. Also, will the Star follow the Meteor’s route? The travel time is about 22 hours. I have been assigned Car 9112, Room 1. Any info or helpful hints?
 
I’ve rescheduled a Florida trip for September 6-going from Elizabethtown to Kissimmee, FL. I’m guessing Amtrak is only operating 1 daily train to Florida at this time. I am on the 91 Silver Star, leaving PHL at 12:35 PM and arriving at KIS AT 10:44 AM the next day. I know that the Star was supposed to get a dedicated lounge/diner for the sleepers, but with the coronavirus I’m not sure if this has changed. Also, will the Star follow the Meteor’s route? The travel time is about 22 hours. I have been assigned Car 9112, Room 1. Any info or helpful hints?
The Silver Star will depart New York on Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays southbound, and depart Miami on Thursdays, Fridays, and Saturdays northbound. The Silver Meteor will operate on the other four days. Each train will operate on the same route and schedule as they currently do. The Silver Star will get a Viewliner sleeper lounge once the changes take effect on July 6th.
 
It doesn’t make sense that Raleigh (for example) will have service 3 days in a row, and then not for the next 4 days at all! Why not alternate the days (service 1 day, no service the next day)?
I agree. The only reason I can figure they are doing it this way, may be for staffing convenience... certainly not for the benefit of travelers...
 
What is worse than Raleigh loosing star service is Tampa loosing that service to SE Florida. Over 90k passengers a year to / from SE Florida. Just 3/7th of those passengers now..
 
Something people don't discuss a lot is Columbia's ridership. If you look at the current RPA numbers from 2019 you get an average of 42 people boarding/detraining on every train or 84 passengers per day. For a station with service at 1:38 AM, and 4:01 AM that is incredible. Now imagine if you had a second frequency at better hours. Or if you adjusted the schedule to move 91 into the 11 PM, and 92 into the 7 AM hour.

For comparisons lets look at Charleston, SC which has four daily trains (2 NB, 2 SB) at decent hours for all but one. With a station much further from downtown.

41 Passengers per Train, or 164 Passengers Per Day.

Here are the per train numbers at the other stations unique to the Silver Star.

Southern Pines, NC: 10 Passengers Per Train, 20 Passengers Per Day
Hamlet, NC: 5.7 Passengers Per Train, 11 Passengers Per Day
Camden, SC: 4.7 Passengers Per Train, 9 Passengers Per Day
Denmark, SC: 4 Passengers Per Train, 8 Passengers Per Day

Cities Unique to the Silver Meteor/Palmetto in North/South Carolina

Fayetteville, NC: 32 Passengers Per Train, or 131 Passengers Per Day
Dillion, SC: 7 Passengers Per Train, or 14 Passengers Per Day
Florence, SC: 27 Passengers Per Train, or 108 Passengers Per Day (This station receives a lot of Columbia traffic)
Kingstree, SC: 7 Passengers Per Train, or 28 Passengers Per Day (Interesting that the No. 6, and 7 popular destinations are the next station in both directions)
Yemassee, SC: 25 Passengers Per Train, or 6 Passengers Per Day.

Yemassee, Kingstree, Dillon, Camden, Denmark, Hamlet, and Southern Pines are all similar to each other. Note that the routes with four trains a day (2 NB, 2 SB) perform much better.

These are cities Amtrak does limited (street sign pointing to the station) to no marketing in. Imagine what could be done with better marketing, and better times in these cities.
 
I might have to run to Florida in early to mid July. I usually take the auto train but since I might have to travel solo I am thinking of the Slivers to save a few bucks, so this is good information to know. I read the both the slivers have their menus back. Did any of them receive the new viewliners II yet? I was thinking about a roomette vs a bedroom. I know things change rapidly in these times and I just want to be prepared with current information. Thanks.
 
Something people don't discuss a lot is Columbia's ridership. If you look at the current RPA numbers from 2019 you get an average of 42 people boarding/detraining on every train or 84 passengers per day. For a station with service at 1:38 AM, and 4:01 AM that is incredible. Now imagine if you had a second frequency at better hours. Or if you adjusted the schedule to move 91 into the 11 PM, and 92 into the 7 AM hour.

For comparisons lets look at Charleston, SC which has four daily trains (2 NB, 2 SB) at decent hours for all but one. With a station much further from downtown.

41 Passengers per Train, or 164 Passengers Per Day.

Here are the per train numbers at the other stations unique to the Silver Star.

Southern Pines, NC: 10 Passengers Per Train, 20 Passengers Per Day
Hamlet, NC: 5.7 Passengers Per Train, 11 Passengers Per Day
Camden, SC: 4.7 Passengers Per Train, 9 Passengers Per Day
Denmark, SC: 4 Passengers Per Train, 8 Passengers Per Day

Cities Unique to the Silver Meteor/Palmetto in North/South Carolina

Fayetteville, NC: 32 Passengers Per Train, or 131 Passengers Per Day
Dillion, SC: 7 Passengers Per Train, or 14 Passengers Per Day
Florence, SC: 27 Passengers Per Train, or 108 Passengers Per Day (This station receives a lot of Columbia traffic)
Kingstree, SC: 7 Passengers Per Train, or 28 Passengers Per Day (Interesting that the No. 6, and 7 popular destinations are the next station in both directions)
Yemassee, SC: 25 Passengers Per Train, or 6 Passengers Per Day.

Yemassee, Kingstree, Dillon, Camden, Denmark, Hamlet, and Southern Pines are all similar to each other. Note that the routes with four trains a day (2 NB, 2 SB) perform much better.

These are cities Amtrak does limited (street sign pointing to the station) to no marketing in. Imagine what could be done with better marketing, and better times in these cities.
Good info, Seaboard. So true about Amtrak marketing, or lack of. If Amtrak was interested in preserving the Star’s traffic base, how about on the days the Star doesn’t operate using a Thruway bus for the straight shot on I-20 that includes Camden and takes only a 1.5 hours and connects to the Palmetto rather than the Meteor. . You pick up 93 customers (assuming all are headed north of Raleigh) at minimal cost.

Amtrak seems reluctant to use the Thruway bus concept and is an easy way to pick up revenue. Sort or a poor man‘s hub and spoke system the airlines use so successfully.
 
Honestly a Thruway Bus connection to the Palmetto in addition to the Silver Star would be a godsend. You could even start it in Augusta. Columbia is a fairly decent untapped market that if marketed right could do really well. Columbia is a big junction town if you had an extension to the Piedmont to Charleston via Columbia you would find a lot of day trip traffic into Charleston.
 
Seaboard92

Your stat on Kingstree's relatively heavy traffic to the next station, sounds like school children getting their "first train ride" experience..
 
Seaboard92

Your stat on Kingstree's relatively heavy traffic to the next station, sounds like school children getting their "first train ride" experience..

If that is true those kids had a much better field trip than anything that I ever was offered. I am wondering if it is people going from Kingstree to the hospital in Florence which is in the station parking lot. Few hospitals have a train station on Campus but Florence does. Public transit in that part of the state doesn't really exist much so it wouldn't surprise me. Charleston also would make sense for that with the main MUSC Campus being in Charleston as well, even though the times are abysmal for that. But one must do what one must do.
 
Amtrak seems reluctant to use the Thruway bus concept and is an easy way to pick up revenue. Sort or a poor man‘s hub and spoke system the airlines use so successfully.
This! A million times over. Well, maybe not quite a million, but there are probably dozens of feeder bus routes, serving both corridor and long-distance trains, that are at least worth looking into. Amtrak has added a few in recent years (Wilson to Eastern North Carolina and Newton to Oklahoma City come to mind) but there should be so many more.
 
There are Viewliner sleepers and Viewliner Dining Cars (er - I meant ”sleeper lounges”), but there are not any Viewliner coaches!
I'm referring to the EXISTING coach cars that have been used up to now on the two Silver trains. Many of those cars will now be sitting on the side with only one Silver train - along with the spares from the Crescent and the other eastern trains with spare cars from not being used 7 days a week.
 
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