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Wonder if the staffing issue is why there is still only one Seattle coach when the second sleeper got restored recently.

And, yeah, as one of the two early adopters of full recreational legalization (it's been legal here for nine years now) the dreaded weed has pretty much entirely lost any stigma. I am having to be tested in order to volunteer down at the Nevada Northern.
 
Especially given the situation with the Starlight, WashDOT and ODOT should start working to resume the full Cascades schedule south of Seattle as soon as possible.

Actually, there's already more SEA/EUG service than before Covid. There use to be 501 (SEA-PDX) at 7:25am, and 511 (PDX-EUG) at 9:30am. Now, 503 runs in place of 501, but runs to EUG. So I guess technically there's just better service going down that way, since there's two direct SEA/EUG Cascades trains.

Next train to come back should be 517/518! We really need to service north of Everett again, for you.
 
Wonder if the staffing issue is why there is still only one Seattle coach when the second sleeper got restored recently.

And, yeah, as one of the two early adopters of full recreational legalization (it's been legal here for nine years now) the dreaded weed has pretty much entirely lost any stigma. I am having to be tested in order to volunteer down at the Nevada Northern.

Honestly, I'm not sure what the hold up has been. 1 coach attendant can work 2 coach cars. And when we only had the sleeper + dorm, we had the dorm staffed like a regular sleeper, because we were selling a lot of rooms in there. Like double what we would usually sell.

The only thing I can think of, is the trackage rights. Since there is a cost paid to the freights per car run over the territory.
 
Yeah, I wish. But WashDOT has been very consistent and very firm that they won't restore rail service north of Seattle until the Canadian border opens and Canada seems very reticent, although there is definitely pressure building. The continued closure is getting quite a bit of coverage now, including the NY Times yesterday, and the coverage doesn't have a generally favorable slant towards the closure. I am hoping for July 21st, but pessimistically I am still really not expecting it until September.

Also, on that webinar Wednesday that Cal and I both attended, the All Aboard Washington guy said when it does resume it will only be one train initially.
 
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Because of being so short staffed right now in Seattle, we gave up the coach car on 27/28 to be crewed by Chicago as well. The sleepers, coaches, and lounge on 27/28 are still crewed by Chicago. The sleepers and diner on 7/8 are still crewed by Seattle, but that coach is crewed by Chicago. Freed up 11 regularly scheduled jobs, and we're still struggling.

With the minimum wage being so high in Washington, and specifically the Seattle area, it's harder to financially convince people to be away for so long. We get paid well, but when you factor in all the unpaid time that we have onboard + at the hotel, our wage drops really close to minimum wage. In fact, I would say that train attendants and food specialists make below minimum wage, if you average in the unpaid hours they're away from home. LSAs and Chefs are a few dollars over.

It's also not a wage thing, but...drugs. Working on the rails, for obvious reasons we have to pass a drug to test to be hired (and are subject to random tests throughout our employment). In Washington, this unfortunately narrows down the prospective applicant pool considerably.
Got it, thanks! 😉

And with Seattle being so expensive now to live in, probably not many New Hires want to live there!( and as you said, Locals probably can't pass the drug tests!)
 
Yeah, I wish. But WashDOT has been very consistent and very firm that they won't restore rail service north of Seattle until the Canadian border opens and Canada seems very reticent, although there is definitely pressure building. The continued closure is getting quite a bit of coverage now, including the NY Times yesterday, and the coverage doesn't have a generally favorable slant towards the closure. I am hoping for July 21st, but pessimistically I am still really not expecting it until September.

Also, on that webinar Wednesday that Cal and I both attended, the All Aboard Washington guy said when it does resume it will only be one train initially.
I don't look for the Canadian Border to reopen till 2022, especially if Canada can't get the Vaccines out faster,and if we have New Waves in the Fall and Winter, which is Highly Likely according to the Scientists and Medical people not till Summer!🥺
 
I don't look for the Canadian Border to reopen till 2022, especially if Canada can't get the Vaccines out faster,and if we have New Waves in the Fall and Winter, which is Highly Likely according to the Scientists and Medical people not till Summer!🥺

On the day I'm writing this, as a function of population, 10% more Americans are fully vaccinated than Canadians. But 25% more Canadians have a single dose (which means 50% more Canadians have received a vaccination), and with a vaccination rate of almost 2% of the population per day, Canada will likely exceed double vaccination by Wednesday or so.

I really think the Canadian government is more nervous about large parts parts of the American population that are unvaccinated, and are likely to remain unvaccinated. That opens up a significant risk at the beginning of Covid mitigation to reintroduce into the pockets of Canada that aren't at high vaccination rates but have relatively speaking stamped out transmission.

I have no idea what the right answer is, but hopefully the incredible positive progress we've seen throughout the US and Canada in the last few weeks progresses.
 
Canada is catching up on vaccinations after a slow start. 65% with the first dose and 19% both as of June 19th per the New York Times article on June 29th. Trudeau himself said 75% first dose, 20% second for opening, so they are not that far away and there appears to less vaccine resistance up there. I think they'll be open before year end, there is going to be some political pressure and some probably some pretty heavy diplomatic pressure from the US once they reach goals Trudeau himself set. I think they're probably going to require evidence of vaccination to enter, although the only evidence available to US residents is pretty flimsy and easily forged.
 
Yeah, I wish. But WashDOT has been very consistent and very firm that they won't restore rail service north of Seattle until the Canadian border opens and Canada seems very reticent, although there is definitely pressure building. The continued closure is getting quite a bit of coverage now, including the NY Times yesterday, and the coverage doesn't have a generally favorable slant towards the closure. I am hoping for July 21st, but pessimistically I am still really not expecting it until September.

Also, on that webinar Wednesday that Cal and I both attended, the All Aboard Washington guy said when it does resume it will only be one train initially.

Yup, I know. I'm going to seem like "the guy who thinks he knows everything". Haha Although I work out of Seattle, I live in Vancouver, Canada. So the border closure is extremely important to me, and I'm always trying to stay in the loop.

30 days after the border opens to leisure travel, is about when the first train north will roll. I know it'll only be one train each way for the time being, and they will supposedly be 517/518.

Not to be a negative Nancy, but the quarantine requirement for Canadian citizens and residents returning from abroad hasn't even been lifted yet, that's coming July 5th. Heck, there are some provinces that even domestic travellers need to quarantine upon entering. Like I'm talking, police checkpoints at the border to ensure even entering is documented. So until the provinces lightened the restrictions, there was really no sense in the federal government relaxing the restrictions. But, both Canadian and American media conveniently left that info out of the news.

Canada is catching up on vaccinations after a slow start. 65% with the first dose and 19% both as of June 19th per the New York Times article on June 29th. Trudeau himself said 75% first dose, 20% second for opening, so they are not that far away and there appears to less vaccine resistance up there. I think they'll be open before year end, there is going to be some political pressure and some probably some pretty heavy diplomatic pressure from the US once they reach goals Trudeau himself set. I think they're probably going to require evidence of vaccination to enter, although the only evidence available to US residents is pretty flimsy and easily forged.

The good news here is, like you've mentioned, there are numbers set, and we are rapidly approaching them. Vaccines have really started becoming more readily available in recent week, but it's still been tough going. I received my first dose on March 26th, and was quoted July 26th for my second. I ended up getting moved up, and was able to go in on June 8th. My husband, who also works in the food industry (on a college campus, mind you), was finally able to get his first, on May 29th. So it's still slow going, but it's progressing.

Regarding vaccination records, keep in mind how strict Canada is on entry requirements. If someone is caught with forged documents, it would incur a hefty (likely up to $10,000CAD) fine, as well as possible jail time, and being barred entry from Canada for a number of years. I wouldn't be shocked if Canada strikes a way to tie in to US medical records to have access to vaccination records. Canada has already made it clear that it's a fan of a so called "vaccine passport", and knowing that the US (which supplies that vast majority of foreign tourists to Canada) will not be participating in a similar program, will not settle well.
 
The Dry Creek Trestle was not damaged just by trees burning below it. The trestle had a ballast deck that would have a solid wood floor that held the ballast and track structure.
Once these creosote timbers caught fire and with air readily available to feed the fire like flogs on a grate, it would burn extremely hot.
A UP Track Foreman confirmed this
 
I think the issue is in the US, the vaccine records are held by state governments and not federally. Even if a voluntary vaccine passport standard were developed, there are some states that would not participate and would not allow any access to their immunization registries for it. Luckily, I doubt Washington would be one of those.

So if Canada were to require something beyond the CDC card, there would be issues. Although Canada may just be in the position to force the issue.
 
Yeah, read a post of yours in one of the threads you were in that RPA webinar on Wednesday.
I'm afraid I was unclear, I didn't attend the RPA webinar. Were you talking about the post I sent in Amtrak Dining?
 
Not to be a negative Nancy, but the quarantine requirement for Canadian citizens and residents returning from abroad hasn't even been lifted yet, that's coming July 5th. Heck, there are some provinces that even domestic travellers need to quarantine upon entering. Like I'm talking, police checkpoints at the border to ensure even entering is documented. So until the provinces lightened the restrictions, there was really no sense in the federal government relaxing the restrictions. But, both Canadian and American media conveniently left that info out of the news.

The good news here is, like you've mentioned, there are numbers set, and we are rapidly approaching them. Vaccines have really started becoming more readily available in recent week, but it's still been tough going. I received my first dose on March 26th, and was quoted July 26th for my second. I ended up getting moved up, and was able to go in on June 8th. My husband, who also works in the food industry (on a college campus, mind you), was finally able to get his first, on May 29th. So it's still slow going, but it's progressing.

Regarding vaccination records, keep in mind how strict Canada is on entry requirements. If someone is caught with forged documents, it would incur a hefty (likely up to $10,000CAD) fine, as well as possible jail time, and being barred entry from Canada for a number of years. I wouldn't be shocked if Canada strikes a way to tie in to US medical records to have access to vaccination records. Canada has already made it clear that it's a fan of a so called "vaccine passport", and knowing that the US (which supplies that vast majority of foreign tourists to Canada) will not be participating in a similar program, will not settle well.
Thank you for pointing this out - particularly the portion highlighted above. Sometimes it is difficult to "buck the trend" when the media has everyone convinced how great a "one dose summer" is going to be. One day they quote medical experts in favor of maintaining lockdowns and the next how lockdowns are ruining businesses. It's like a tug-of-war on the evening news every night.
 
It's also not a wage thing, but...drugs. Working on the rails, for obvious reasons we have to pass a drug to test to be hired (and are subject to random tests throughout our employment). In Washington, this unfortunately narrows down the prospective applicant pool considerably.

This is seems like it will be a growing problem as more states legalize recreational cannabis. I mean, the narrowing of the applicant pool. Seems to me like it can't be solved until (1) the Federal government legalizes cannabis, or at least leaves it up to the states explicitly, and (2) they can develop a test that shows current cannabis intoxication, just like a breathalyzer shows current alcohol intoxication. A positive on the current drug test just shows that you've used the stuff some time in the recent past; you may be perfectly sober when the test is administered. Cannabis use should be treated like alcohol use -- occasional use off the job should be OK, but, of course, being intoxicated while on the job is a no-no.
 
Apparently UP is completely re-building the bridge. Can anyone confirm/deny this?

Heard about in on Instagram.
 
This is seems like it will be a growing problem as more states legalize recreational cannabis. I mean, the narrowing of the applicant pool. Seems to me like it can't be solved until (1) the Federal government legalizes cannabis, or at least leaves it up to the states explicitly, and (2) they can develop a test that shows current cannabis intoxication, just like a breathalyzer shows current alcohol intoxication. A positive on the current drug test just shows that you've used the stuff some time in the recent past; you may be perfectly sober when the test is administered. Cannabis use should be treated like alcohol use -- occasional use off the job should be OK, but, of course, being intoxicated while on the job is a no-no.
Problem is, railroads are federally regulated. Even if it's legalized at the federal level, there will still need to be testing to make sure someone is not intoxicated while on the job. That's why #2 is so incredibly important. There's no reason why someone shouldn't be allowed to enjoy cannabis after a long day of work like they would alcohol. Also, it's sadly too easy to be a functioning alcoholic working a safety-intensive job and never get caught, but you'll get fired and probably not work another day in the transportation industry if you fail a test because of that joint you shared with your friend a month ago. It's also a DUI issue as well, as in some states that have legalized cannabis, the smell of it alone cannot be used as probable cause to search a vehicle.
 
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Because of being so short staffed right now in Seattle, we gave up the coach car on 27/28 to be crewed by Chicago as well. The sleepers, coaches, and lounge on 27/28 are still crewed by Chicago. The sleepers and diner on 7/8 are still crewed by Seattle, but that coach is crewed by Chicago. Freed up 11 regularly scheduled jobs, and we're still struggling.

With the minimum wage being so high in Washington, and specifically the Seattle area, it's harder to financially convince people to be away for so long. We get paid well, but when you factor in all the unpaid time that we have onboard + at the hotel, our wage drops really close to minimum wage. In fact, I would say that train attendants and food specialists make below minimum wage, if you average in the unpaid hours they're away from home. LSAs and Chefs are a few dollars over.

It's also not a wage thing, but...drugs. Working on the rails, for obvious reasons we have to pass a drug to test to be hired (and are subject to random tests throughout our employment). In Washington, this unfortunately narrows down the prospective applicant pool considerably.
Helpful info. As a Seattle resident, I'll add that it has gotten increasingly expensive to live in Seattle. Many employers have a difficult time recruiting anyone from outside Seattle to move here due to high cost of living.
 
Helpful info. As a Seattle resident, I'll add that it has gotten increasingly expensive to live in Seattle. Many employers have a difficult time recruiting anyone from outside Seattle to move here due to high cost of living.
How has it changed since covid?
 
It's also not a wage thing, but...drugs. Working on the rails, for obvious reasons we have to pass a drug to test to be hired (and are subject to random tests throughout our employment). In Washington, this unfortunately narrows down the prospective applicant pool considerably.
I understand that when people in Washington are asked to take a drug test, they will say "I'll pass on that" and that is accepted as passing the test. :)
 
The Dry Creek Trestle was not damaged just by trees burning below it. The trestle had a ballast deck that would have a solid wood floor that held the ballast and track structure.
Once these creosote timbers caught fire and with air readily available to feed the fire like flogs on a grate, it would burn extremely hot.
A UP Track Foreman confirmed this

As I mentioned in an earlier post, all that heat caused distortion to the rails that put tremendous side load on the upright structure below.
 
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