Are you saying that Amtrak would be able take superliners into NY?battalion51 said:THE Tunnel has been a project many in the New York area have wanted for a long time. With improved clearances for bi-level cars, third rail, and additional capacity it will allow a lot more flexibility for both NJT and Amtrak once completed.
Not with any regularity, if ever. The new tunnel might be high enough to clear a Superliner, but I'm not sure that all of the wires, signals, and other miscellanous equipment within Penn would be high enough to clear a Superliner.printman2000 said:Are you saying that Amtrak would be able take superliners into NY?
This East Side Access project is already way beyond the design phase. The tunnel under the East River has been in place for years already, tracks from the old MU Yard at Sunnyside have been ripped up in preperation, Metro North's Highbridge shops and rail yard as well as the LIRR's Long Island City shops and rail yard have been built and are in service, and finally work at the mouth of the East River tunnel on the Queens side is already underway.George Harris said:Talking about extra tunnels into New York. It appears that there will be a Long Island station built underneath Grand Central in the next few years. This is going beyond planning into a design phase.
That is one of the understatements of the age. I think this tunnel has been in place about 30 years.AlanB said:The tunnel under the East River has been in place for years already,
That sounds about right, George. I believe that it was the 70's when they sank that tunnel.George Harris said:That is one of the understatements of the age. I think this tunnel has been in place about 30 years.AlanB said:The tunnel under the East River has been in place for years already,
just out of curiousity, what's the closest that Amtrak can theoretically run Superliner trains to NYC without any height clearance and/or platform unloading-loading problems? i'd imagine that they could run them possibly inbetween Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, if they wanted to, though i'm unsure about the NEC's platform and height clearance(as i thought the NEC mainly had high platforms). it's too bad that the plan for this new tunnel still wouldn't allow for Superliners to be used for NYC, due to Penn Statn.'s clearance and platform height.Not with any regularity, if ever. The new tunnel might be high enough to clear a Superliner, but I'm not sure that all of the wires, signals, and other miscellanous equipment within Penn would be high enough to clear a Superliner.printman2000 said:Are you saying that Amtrak would be able take superliners into NY?
Even if all of the above can clear a Superliner, it still wouldn't be practical to operate any into Penn since they won't fit through the East River tunnels. That means no access to Sunnyside yard and the service/cleaning facilities over there.
I think this was already discussed recently. However, Philadelphia would cause problems due to catenary height and, I believe, platform height. A decade or so ago, there was a special train that operated to PHL with Superliners, but Amtrak had a transition car and a single-level coach to allow entry and egress, and I think they also had to deenergize the catenary above the track on which the train was stored.just out of curiousity, what's the closest that Amtrak can theoretically run Superliner trains to NYC without any height clearance and/or platform unloading-loading problems? i'd imagine that they could run them possibly inbetween Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, if they wanted to, though i'm unsure about the NEC's platform and height clearance(as i thought the NEC mainly had high platforms). it's too bad that the plan for this new tunnel still wouldn't allow for Superliners to be used for NYC, due to Penn Statn.'s clearance and platform height.
Realistically, Harrisburg is about as close as Amtrak could go.just out of curiousity, what's the closest that Amtrak can theoretically run Superliner trains to NYC without any height clearance and/or platform unloading-loading problems? i'd imagine that they could run them possibly inbetween Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, if they wanted to, though i'm unsure about the NEC's platform and height clearance(as i thought the NEC mainly had high platforms). it's too bad that the plan for this new tunnel still wouldn't allow for Superliners to be used for NYC, due to Penn Statn.'s clearance and platform height.
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