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seat38a--

Your question "Why dilute the sleeping car experience to sell more business class?" started me thinking about why Amtrak is pushing its current business class (on the Northeast Regionals, for example) and adding business class to the long-distance trains and pushing it there.

As with many things Amtrak, I'm wondering if they are trying to lower the quality by pretending to make it better.

First, "Look, we are giving you a business class option on the long-distance trains!"

Then, "With the business class on a long trip, you don't really need a sleeper now, do you? Why on earth do you need to sleep flat in a tiny room when you can be next to a total stranger and sitting up uncomfortably?"

I still think Amtrak is trying to get rid of any sleepers and dining cars it has left, especially since they say they're not.

Full disclosure: I am not someone who looks for hidden agendas. Except when it comes to Amtrak--they've tried to fool us too many times!
Well, that would be silly on the east coast since they have new sleepers and diners coming out .... some day.
Of course it would be silly--I never implied that Amtrak would do anything that made sense :p .

I agree. I am afraid there may be a few too many tin foil hats with propellers mounted on them going around here :p
I had to look this up to find out that it refers to people who are delusional. :( I fully believe that the Phillies are getting better every day and that there may be hope for NJT after all--how could anyone possibly think I'm delusional? :p
 
If sleeper ridership were to decrease theory of moving sleeper to BC might be realistic but so far Crescent sleeper ridership is still almost full as usual.
 
On a four-hour Northeast Regional trip, I board, find my own seat, and receive nothing except a free cup of coffee. The conductor scans my ticket, but there is no attendant on board. The only reason to take Business Class is to avoid the nightmare of coach on the congested Northeast Corridor--it's the only way to guarantee I will have a seat.
Just to clarify for those who may be unfamiliar, business class includes water, (hot) coffee, (hot) tea, juice, soda, hot chocolate, and I believe milk as well. I will also include club soda and tonic water if I can spare it. There is also not a limit of one beverage. It's within "reason". When one person comes up and asks for a water, two juices, and a coffee all for themselves, I may put my foot down and ask that you come back after you finish a beverage or two, so other passengers have a chance to buy/obtain something, especially if it's a train with little stock.
 
For me the number one issue with Amtrak's Business Class is that I rarely know what I'm going to get until I'm already on board. Sometimes it seems like a good deal while other times it seems no different than coach but with a higher price. I don't necessarily need or want Business Class to be identical everywhere across the network, but having a well defined and consistent standard for each route and corridor would help to clarify the sales pitch and possibly sell me on an upgrade. Otherwise I end up assuming it's not worth the trouble unless someone proactively recommends it thanks to a recent trip of their own.
With 2 exceptions (at least in the east, with which I am more familiar), you do get something better than coach. The two exceptions are the Pennsylvanian and the Palmetto.

Other trains are as follows:

NE regionals, BC seat is ~50 in pitch as opposed to the 39 inch pitch in coach, as well as there being curtains to shade your eyes from sun glare or station lights, very important if you're taking 66/67 and ant to sleep. Oh yes, and you get a free drink, for what it's worth, but at least the drinks are full size now, and presumably the ice is also included.

Vermonter/Empire Service/Downeaster has the 2 x 1 club car seating. 50 in seat pitch vs 39 in coach, as well as curtains, and, of course, free non alcoholic drinks.

Carolinian (which is longest ride one can take in an Amfleet I coach, if you ride from end to end) has 50 inch pitch Amfleet I BC (in other words, it's basically a Northeast Regional BC with a car attendant.)

In all of these cases, you get more legroom and a less crowded car (most of the time), which increases the single traveler's chance of not having to deal with a seatmate.

The real marginal value propositions are the Pennsylvanian and the Palmetto, because the physical layout of the Amfleet I BC car is more or less the same as that of the Amfleet 2 LD coach. (Same 50 in seat pitch, same curtains on the windows.) What you're really paying for is an increased chance that the BC car will be less crowded, and thus you don't have to have a seatmate. If you're traveling with someone, well, that's not much of an advantage. I ride BC on the Palmetto, at least on Saturdays, the coach section gets pretty filled up by Florence, whereas in BC, it's nice and quiet all the way north. Well, I'm taking it on Saturday, I hope I don't have to eat my words. :)

Oh yes, and you get a 25% TQP bonus on your AGR points.
Another, albeit small, perk of a business class vs coach seating on the Regionals is that you will get a foot rest as well.

I think people underestimate how much quieter it is in Business. Just worked 131, and it's a quiet Regional. Topped out at about 280 in Coach. Topped out at...5 in Business.
 
Took BC on the cardinal. It was great with unlimited beverages, 2x1, and WiFi. Meanwhile in the Midwest it's a single drink and 2x1. Where BC becomes a more dicey proposition is on trains with amfleet 2 cars. I feel like Amtrak needs a consistent standard for BC, like VIA rail has in Canada.
 
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