What was EMD's design submitted to compete with the Genesis?

[Oldsmoboi]

What was EMD's design submitted to compete with the Genesis? Is it published? Has anyone seen it?

 

[Dutchrailnut]

there was no design, EMD after DE/DM for LIRR had absolutely no interest in any passenger diesel.

and even lately they seenm to lean towards MPI to fill niche market.

 

[Oldsmoboi]

Does the Wikipedia entry for the P42 need to be corrected then?

The Genesis series of locomotives was designed by
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_ElectricGeneral Electric
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electricin response to a specification published by Amtrak and ultimately selected over a competing design presented by GM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro-Motive_DieselEMD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro-Motive_Diesel.

 

[Dutchrailnut]

Does the Wikipedia entry for the P42 need to be corrected then?

i would say so, unless you can come up with a model number or design.

 

[Mackensen]

Does the Wikipedia entry for the P42 need to be corrected then?

i would say so, unless you can come up with a model number or design.

This thread on Railroad.net suggests EMD did have something on the drawing boards, though it didn't get to prototype stage.

 

[dan72]

There was some testing done with, I believe, the F69PH? Amtrak tested two units, but ended up returning them. I believe the reason was they were AC traction and Amtrak wanted to stick with DC. Not sure where that fits in the timeline of going with the P40's.

Dan

 

[Oldsmoboi]

Ahh, thanks for the leads.

This was apparently the submission:

 

[Devil's Advocate]

First of all, very interesting thread Oldsmoboi. Thanks for starting it!

Second, that is one ugly loco!

 

[zephyr17]

First of all, very interesting thread Oldsmoboi. Thanks for starting it!

Second, that is one ugly loco!

When those things were out and about (there were 2 demo engines, IIRC) they acquired the railfan nickname of "Winnebagos"

 

[jis]

I am not sure that it is accurate to say that the F69PH was actually in the running when the P40 orders were placed. F69s were developed with funding from Amtrak as experimental units to gain experience with AC drive. They were the first manufactured from ground up AC drive diesel units in the western hemisphere. They ran in service with Amtrak on an experimental basis for a few years. They were then sidelined and stored away. before that they acted as power for the demonstration run of the X2000 and the ICE in non-electrified areas of the US.

 

[Oldsmoboi]

Well they were built in June 1989 and loaned to Amtrak in 1990... so that's right in the timeline of testing of the Genesis which GE started building in 1992.

 

[reefgeek]

Are you guys sure? I heard these are photos of the proposed engine prototype:

 

[The Davy Crockett]

Are you guys sure? I heard these are photos of the proposed engine prototype:

We should be so lucky!

 

[the_traveler]

Are you guys sure? I heard these are photos of the proposed engine prototype:

We should be so lucky!

Where did you get photos of the penthouse suite on the left?

Who leaked it?

 

[The Davy Crockett]

Are you guys sure? I heard these are photos of the proposed engine prototype:

We should be so lucky!

Where did you get photos of the penthouse suite on the left?

Who leaked it?

Dave, if that is the penthouse suite on the left, is the photo on the right your 'man about town' transportation? :unsure: :lol:

 

[jis]

Well they were built in June 1989 and loaned to Amtrak in 1990... so that's right in the timeline of testing of the Genesis which GE started building in 1992.

Yes, but their development was not necessarily tied to an Amtrak order even though the timing lines up. I followed their development quite closely back then since they were the first serious AC drive development from the ground up in the US. Many did think that is what Amtrak would order, but they did not even meet one of the basic requirements in the Amtrak RFP which was that the engines must fit through the New York tunnels. F69's were too tall. For that matter the first engines that Amtrak acquired on almost an emergency basis from GE were not capable of fitting in those tunnels either. In addition the F69s proved to be particularly unreliable too.