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Whooz, get your Canadian passport ready.
I'm not going anywhere. I love America, and am disappointed to see it being run into the ground by Republicans who are more interested in further enriching the wealthy than providing transportation infrastructure for the rest of us. And should McCain prevail, I'm not the kind of hysterical clown who would threaten to move to Canada. Better to stay right here and keep arguing for change.
Good for you - I'm pleased to make your acquaintance, and am glad that they are people like you in this world.
Whooz is easy to raz and generally a good sport. His state is already the recipient of my area's former representative, the welter weight champion and chief of doofus behaviour, Cynthia McKinney. I'm wanting to hear what he has to say after making her acquaintance as she is running for Pres on the Green Party ticket to replace Ralph Nader.
 
Why are you people blowing bandwidth talking to walls? I've never seen one of these forum political debates convince anyone to change their mind. If you want an audience to rant to about your political beliefs, start a political blog site. At least move this thread to a off-topic non-Amtrak forum.
Sheesh, get a life people.
Dude, we're just talking. It's like TV: If you don't like the program, change the channel.
WOW! We agreed on something, matter of fact two things! What you stated above and in response to another post, I'm not going anywhere if Obama wins either. I love America too!

I think I'll have a glass of wine tonight and celebrate! I'm having Lambrusco; how about you? :p
I'll be sipping chablis tonight - as I applaud Michelle Obama's speech at the convention... ;)

And, come to think of it, one of the best glasses of wine I ever had was looking out the window, as Lake Shore Limited rolled up the Hudson, lit up by the sunset...
 
Whooz is easy to raz and generally a good sport.
That's RAZZ, and I'll consider it a compliment (I think from Jody).

As for McKinney and Nader, not going there at all.

But some cool music here (WAY off topic): The Hollyfelds

Riding the Southwest Chief later this week to hear this band at Denver. Check out "Empress of Wyoming."
 
Why are you people blowing bandwidth talking to walls? I've never seen one of these forum political debates convince anyone to change their mind. If you want an audience to rant to about your political beliefs, start a political blog site. At least move this thread to a off-topic non-Amtrak forum.
Sheesh, get a life people.
Dude, we're just talking. It's like TV: If you don't like the program, change the channel.
WOW! We agreed on something, matter of fact two things! What you stated above and in response to another post, I'm not going anywhere if Obama wins either. I love America too!

I think I'll have a glass of wine tonight and celebrate! I'm having Lambrusco; how about you? :p
I'll be sipping chablis tonight - as I applaud Michelle Obama's speech at the convention... ;)

And, come to think of it, one of the best glasses of wine I ever had was looking out the window, as Lake Shore Limited rolled up the Hudson, lit up by the sunset...
A-salute to all regardless of which side of the issue you're on! BUT.... I wouldn't dare listen to Michelle's speech either before or after I have my Lambrusco. It could sour my wine! :wacko:
 
Riding the Southwest Chief later this week to hear this band at Denver. Check out "Empress of Wyoming."
I'm jealous! I just rode the SWC twice last month and swore it would be my last train ride because of my overal personal experience on this trip, but here I am getting jealous again already! Is it hopelessly in my blood and is there no cure for me? :huh: If anyone has an antidote, please share it with me... I'M DESPERATE! :(
 
Boy, what a trip down memory lane. You're right. That was the person behind the air-conditioned glass with the room-sized computers scurrying reels (remember the first discs- more like luncheon platters) around. Let's not forget that computer screens came in one version. No graphics. No font style choices. Color? Hah! Nothing entertaining. You didn't spend hours hanging around a computer. There was little fun to be had doing so.
You have got to be kidding! :blink:

I spent hours hanging around just such a computer in college. It took me the better part of 6 months to finally crack and win one of the best, and first computer games ever written (in Fortran by the way, and I've still got a printout of the source code), Adventure. It ran on my college's Univac series 60/70 IIRC the number correctly. It was actually an RCA mainframe that was taken over by Univac when RCA got out of the mainframe business. I used to fight for one of the 16 terminals just to play that game.

And by the way, I never bribbed the sysop to run my cards. I dumped the cards after my first program and learned to use the few teletypes and terminals that were available. Of course I also knew how to run my own cards through the machine too, and in fact would sometimes cover for the student assigned to run the machine when he/she needed a restroom break.
 
GML, I'm a CPA with a long life around numbers, computers (before you were born!) and solving problems (apparently a lot better problem solver than those that answered the original posts :lol: ). I frequently ask some of the computer junky accountants what they would do if the electricity went off. I AM positive that some would freeze because they don't know the basics. The output stinks, yet they think it's a masterpiece of fine accounting because they've mastered the program. They can't recognize an appropriately- prepared, simple Cost of Goods schedule. I then have to teach them the fundamentals by constantly correcting their work (using the same computer programs) AND remind them again and again, it's just a tool. Don't focus on the tool. Focus on the product and the end user. BTW, it's not just the newbie grads who do this, it can be those who are mired in "appearances". It may enhance your life or it may not. I learned to be a bookkeeper as a young teenager on something called a Burrough's bookkeeping machine and was taught by an elderly lady who thought it was the cat's meow (sounds a little like you!). You could anchor a small ship with its weight. (Ask one of the elders in your community about it, I'm sure someone is familiar with it.) It, too, was just a tool. It doubled as a work out machine. In our times, the technology will continue to change. Expect it. But think of it only as a tool for a purpose. I'm looking forward to the next wave.
You are talking to the only person who graduated my high school, I think, that still knew how to do long division after they started letting us use calculators. Using a computer is an important tool for advancing in this world, even a needed one. I am not advocating that people stop learning how to exist without them. Putting words in my mouth is a habbit of yours. Please kick it.

Trust me, the computer as it sits in front of you will soon be a dinosaur. Live your life as though it is (unless its workings are your source of income). Let's back up a little. The candidate doesn't have to know all about computers or even use one. He just needs to know their significance. His focus should be a lot larger than single issues.
Ya know, George Washington was a great man. So was Abe Lincoln. Infact, Lincoln was probably the most intelligent man ever to run this country. I wouldn't vote for them now. They don't know enough about the world. They don't know how to get around todays world. Neither, it seems, does McCain.

On the sox-outside-of-marriage (OOM) issue. In my house that stuff (OOM) by my spouse would be a very real issue that would threaten the future and cause distrust issues. If Clinton wanted to tie Hillary to a bedpost and she was in agreement, THAT would be between them. Don't forget the perjury. Nothing in her body language indicated that she was in agreement with his actions and I doubt that their marriage VOWS (look that one up) allowed this. The lack of trustworthiness is a reflection of his character and a person's character is part of the qualification for the Office of the Presidency. John Edwards, IMO, needs to get an occupation digging ditches. That low-life is so outta public life because of this subject. Would YOU trust him? All we need now is that Washington woman named Fanny something or other and her fountain dipping beau, Wilbur something or other to liven things up.
Gee, I get to say it twice in one post. Stop putting words in my mouth. Cheating is not acceptable, is never acceptable, and frankly, I uphold the ten commandments here. The fact of the matter is, whether he cheats or not is entirely irrelevant to defense budget spending patterns. Thats all I said.

And. Just as garbage in produces garbage out, I would never rely on a Google search for anything serious. Entertaining, yes. For example, it astounds me that anyone would take an investment blog seriously unless a credentialed reputation were on the line. Make sure that you always check the credentials of your sources. I surely do not want my President relying on Google for his advice (although it sounds like what some of his advisors may have been doing). I want the geeks, the ones who've spent their whole lives engaged in the subject and putting their reputations on the line who have something to lose when they're wrong, under his wing.
I don't rely on google for anything other than a search engine. It finds things, and its my job to determine its accuracy. Something I am generally good at doing, and the main reason I compare data from more than one source. You don't need to ramble on and on in lecture about things I already know, another annoying habit of yours.
 
25 years ago, the policy-makers and bean-counters only saw numbers needing cutting.
The number that needs to be cut is the number of automobiles that are on the roads because there are no good alternatives available.
Good luck.

I've seen from the posts in this debate just what a lack of perspective many well-meaning people have. It is all too easy for us to forget just what sort of dynamic drove the creation of the US National Defense & Interstate Highway system in the first place.

The railroads were hated. Businessmen hated their monopoly on transportation. Rural folks hated the railroad monopoly on transportation. The ICC had Byzantine rules in place that made changing a freight or passenger tariff difficult at best. The unions involved with railroads fought technology. The railroad managers failed to realize they were in the transportation business. There were enough ex-GIs out there who had seen Hitler's Autobahns to desire an American version. Out of all this came the present dependence of the USA on the automobile.

I would suggest to all participating in this debate to grasp this perspective, before plugging intercity passenger trains to our fellow citizens in the USA. Not everyone is enamored of taking trains anywhere on a daily basis, especially outside the coasts (Chicago is the glaring exception).

The bottom line is that to replace automobiles, you have to have people re-imagine what I would suggest was the more livable urban design of mid-20th century America.
 
25 years ago, the policy-makers and bean-counters only saw numbers needing cutting.
The number that needs to be cut is the number of automobiles that are on the roads because there are no good alternatives available.
Good luck.

I've seen from the posts in this debate just what a lack of perspective many well-meaning people have. It is all too easy for us to forget just what sort of dynamic drove the creation of the US National Defense & Interstate Highway system in the first place.

The railroads were hated. Businessmen hated their monopoly on transportation. Rural folks hated the railroad monopoly on transportation. The ICC had Byzantine rules in place that made changing a freight or passenger tariff difficult at best. The unions involved with railroads fought technology. The railroad managers failed to realize they were in the transportation business. There were enough ex-GIs out there who had seen Hitler's Autobahns to desire an American version. Out of all this came the present dependence of the USA on the automobile.

I would suggest to all participating in this debate to grasp this perspective, before plugging intercity passenger trains to our fellow citizens in the USA. Not everyone is enamored of taking trains anywhere on a daily basis, especially outside the coasts (Chicago is the glaring exception).

The bottom line is that to replace automobiles, you have to have people re-imagine what I would suggest was the more livable urban design of mid-20th century America.
Your historical analysis is completely right - but that doesn't mean it still applies now, or will dictate our future.

I love my automobiles - I'm currently driving a Prius - but that doesn't mean I don't also love trains. I'd certainly rather take the train from NY to Washington or even Philadelphia, than drive. And, if I could get to Chicago in 12 hours by rail, I'd do that, as well, rather than fly.

Nowadays, the train is more likely to replace the plane for some kinds of travel, than the automobile, and that's a good place to start. Clearly, right after WWII, planes for domestic transportation were not yet in the picture in a major way.
 
I love my car. 'fact, I got two of them. A '95 Mercedes-Benz E300D Diesel and a '79 Mercedes-Benz 300SD Turbodiesel. I still say that rail is the future and sometimes you need persuade people to make changes for their own good.
 
Did anyone catch the closing ceremonies for the Olympics? When it came time for the British to introduce London's 1012 Olympic games, they brought in what they considered to be one of London's greatest symbols - the red double-decker bus. What American city would introduce itself with a form of public transportation? The cultural objections most Americans have to public transportation are just as important - or more so - than the technological ones.

If we loved public transportation, we'd build trains and ride buses, and develop our cities around them. Instead, we love cars, and our country has been developed accordingly. As some people have said, we've been developing our country based on cars and cheap gas for the last 70-80 years - it may take another 70-80 years to undo that.
 
Did anyone catch the closing ceremonies for the Olympics? When it came time for the British to introduce London's 1012 Olympic games, they brought in what they considered to be one of London's greatest symbols - the red double-decker bus. What American city would introduce itself with a form of public transportation? The cultural objections most Americans have to public transportation are just as important - or more so - than the technological ones.
If we loved public transportation, we'd build trains and ride buses, and develop our cities around them. Instead, we love cars, and our country has been developed accordingly. As some people have said, we've been developing our country based on cars and cheap gas for the last 70-80 years - it may take another 70-80 years to undo that.
Not undo - build upon and integrate.
 
Not really my place to comment on another countries elections, but I will say this. To those who rave about "service" and "sacrifice" for your country, do you think that keep on sending your young men and women to die for a war that is at best morally dubious, at worst illegal and a war crime is a good thing? Iraq has dragged on longer than WW2, with no real end in sight.If people chose to make that service and sacrifice then surely it is the Governments responsibility to only use that when absolutely necessary and not to throw it away for cheap political purposes. The only glorious victory you can hope to achieve is to go home in dignity. Sometimes it is ok to admit you were wrong and you mad a mistake rather than keep on the same old, same old.
 
GML, I'm a CPA with a long life around numbers, computers (before you were born!) and solving problems (apparently a lot better problem solver than those that answered the original posts :lol: ). I frequently ask some of the computer junky accountants what they would do if the electricity went off. I AM positive that some would freeze because they don't know the basics. The output stinks, yet they think it's a masterpiece of fine accounting because they've mastered the program. They can't recognize an appropriately- prepared, simple Cost of Goods schedule. I then have to teach them the fundamentals by constantly correcting their work (using the same computer programs) AND remind them again and again, it's just a tool. Don't focus on the tool. Focus on the product and the end user. BTW, it's not just the newbie grads who do this, it can be those who are mired in "appearances". It may enhance your life or it may not. I learned to be a bookkeeper as a young teenager on something called a Burrough's bookkeeping machine and was taught by an elderly lady who thought it was the cat's meow (sounds a little like you!). You could anchor a small ship with its weight. (Ask one of the elders in your community about it, I'm sure someone is familiar with it.) It, too, was just a tool. It doubled as a work out machine. In our times, the technology will continue to change. Expect it. But think of it only as a tool for a purpose. I'm looking forward to the next wave.
You are talking to the only person who graduated my high school, I think, that still knew how to do long division after they started letting us use calculators. Using a computer is an important tool for advancing in this world, even a needed one. I am not advocating that people stop learning how to exist without them. Putting words in my mouth is a habbit of yours. Please kick it.

Trust me, the computer as it sits in front of you will soon be a dinosaur. Live your life as though it is (unless its workings are your source of income). Let's back up a little. The candidate doesn't have to know all about computers or even use one. He just needs to know their significance. His focus should be a lot larger than single issues.
Ya know, George Washington was a great man. So was Abe Lincoln. Infact, Lincoln was probably the most intelligent man ever to run this country. I wouldn't vote for them now. They don't know enough about the world. They don't know how to get around todays world. Neither, it seems, does McCain.

On the sox-outside-of-marriage (OOM) issue. In my house that stuff (OOM) by my spouse would be a very real issue that would threaten the future and cause distrust issues. If Clinton wanted to tie Hillary to a bedpost and she was in agreement, THAT would be between them. Don't forget the perjury. Nothing in her body language indicated that she was in agreement with his actions and I doubt that their marriage VOWS (look that one up) allowed this. The lack of trustworthiness is a reflection of his character and a person's character is part of the qualification for the Office of the Presidency. John Edwards, IMO, needs to get an occupation digging ditches. That low-life is so outta public life because of this subject. Would YOU trust him? All we need now is that Washington woman named Fanny something or other and her fountain dipping beau, Wilbur something or other to liven things up.
Gee, I get to say it twice in one post. Stop putting words in my mouth. Cheating is not acceptable, is never acceptable, and frankly, I uphold the ten commandments here. The fact of the matter is, whether he cheats or not is entirely irrelevant to defense budget spending patterns. Thats all I said.

And. Just as garbage in produces garbage out, I would never rely on a Google search for anything serious. Entertaining, yes. For example, it astounds me that anyone would take an investment blog seriously unless a credentialed reputation were on the line. Make sure that you always check the credentials of your sources. I surely do not want my President relying on Google for his advice (although it sounds like what some of his advisors may have been doing). I want the geeks, the ones who've spent their whole lives engaged in the subject and putting their reputations on the line who have something to lose when they're wrong, under his wing.
I don't rely on google for anything other than a search engine. It finds things, and its my job to determine its accuracy. Something I am generally good at doing, and the main reason I compare data from more than one source. You don't need to ramble on and on in lecture about things I already know, another annoying habit of yours.
Why don't you move past telling others how to post? (Again, the little back arrow in the upper left corner of your keyboard will give you a better day if this annoys you.)You have this annoying habit of telling others that they are silly and implying that they, not you, need to change. I don't know what you know or don't know (and like you, don't really care). You've so much stated that your goal in life is to keep stress at bay. You appear stressed in your writing. Telling others to change isn't going to help. Changing yourself will.

At your age you may be too young to understand the value of a strong and consistent character. A man of Mr. McCain's age and experience has a pretty good understanding of the world. God help us if his main strength were to be computers. He probably drives a car as well. Do you expect him to understand how it works?

I don't believe that you understand the character issue. You're too narrowly focused. Go back and read some of Washington and Lincoln's speeches. They met the challenges of their day just as McCain and Obama will now. I see in Mr. Obama a man that will get burned by the real world and the boundaries under which he will have to operate once he discovers them. I don't see a man that has been genuinely tested and proven his mettle.
 
Not really my place to comment on another countries elections, but I will say this. To those who rave about "service" and "sacrifice" for your country, do you think that keep on sending your young men and women to die for a war that is at best morally dubious, at worst illegal and a war crime is a good thing? Iraq has dragged on longer than WW2, with no real end in sight.If people chose to make that service and sacrifice then surely it is the Governments responsibility to only use that when absolutely necessary and not to throw it away for cheap political purposes. The only glorious victory you can hope to achieve is to go home in dignity. Sometimes it is ok to admit you were wrong and you mad a mistake rather than keep on the same old, same old.
Neil, I wish the war were as simple as you make it to be. But it isn't and there's no way to address (once again) your thoughts on this forum.
 
Boy, what a trip down memory lane. You're right. That was the person behind the air-conditioned glass with the room-sized computers scurrying reels (remember the first discs- more like luncheon platters) around. Let's not forget that computer screens came in one version. No graphics. No font style choices. Color? Hah! Nothing entertaining. You didn't spend hours hanging around a computer. There was little fun to be had doing so.
You have got to be kidding! :blink:

I spent hours hanging around just such a computer in college. It took me the better part of 6 months to finally crack and win one of the best, and first computer games ever written (in Fortran by the way, and I've still got a printout of the source code), Adventure. It ran on my college's Univac series 60/70 IIRC the number correctly. It was actually an RCA mainframe that was taken over by Univac when RCA got out of the mainframe business. I used to fight for one of the 16 terminals just to play that game.

And by the way, I never bribbed the sysop to run my cards. I dumped the cards after my first program and learned to use the few teletypes and terminals that were available. Of course I also knew how to run my own cards through the machine too, and in fact would sometimes cover for the student assigned to run the machine when he/she needed a restroom break.
..written like the geek that you are :rolleyes: ! Those system names sound familiar and the setup recognizable. The place gave me a headache and all I wanted was out of there. Business students were usually writing simple payroll or database programs.
 
There were enough ex-GIs out there who had seen Hitler's Autobahns to desire an American version. Out of all this came the present dependence of the USA on the automobile.
But at this point, my understanding is that the airlines in Europe don't even bother to offer flights on routes where trains are available that take about three hours or less, and Europeans aren't nearly as bothered by gas prices as Americans because they typically don't need an automobile to get where they're going.
 
I love my automobiles - I'm currently driving a Prius - but that doesn't mean I don't also love trains. I'd certainly rather take the train from NY to Washington or even Philadelphia, than drive. And, if I could get to Chicago in 12 hours by rail, I'd do that, as well, rather than fly.
Chicago to New York City is 790 highway miles. If we merely caught up with the 300 km/h technology the French have had for a few decades now, you could make that trip in under 5 hours. If we can get trains running at 300 MPH for nearly the whole trip, it should be doable in three hours. I suspect the capital investment per rider may end up being less at three hours than at twelve.
 
Did anyone catch the closing ceremonies for the Olympics? When it came time for the British to introduce London's 1012 Olympic games, they brought in what they considered to be one of London's greatest symbols - the red double-decker bus. What American city would introduce itself with a form of public transportation?
New York. Having grown up about an hour outside of the city, the subway is an inseparable part of the city for me, and I think for many others. But outside of New York, I can't think of any others. Of course, I consider NYC to be one of the very few cities in the US that "gets it" as far as transit is concerned. And their system has its flaws too, but so does every other. You have to remember that NYC is the only city in the entire world that runs its full rapid transit system 24 hours. Some cities have one or a handful of 24 hour lines, but New York is the only one that runs the full system constantly.
 
Not really my place to comment on another countries elections, but I will say this. To those who rave about "service" and "sacrifice" for your country, do you think that keep on sending your young men and women to die for a war that is at best morally dubious, at worst illegal and a war crime is a good thing? Iraq has dragged on longer than WW2, with no real end in sight.If people chose to make that service and sacrifice then surely it is the Governments responsibility to only use that when absolutely necessary and not to throw it away for cheap political purposes. The only glorious victory you can hope to achieve is to go home in dignity. Sometimes it is ok to admit you were wrong and you mad a mistake rather than keep on the same old, same old.
Neil, I wish the war were as simple as you make it to be. But it isn't and there's no way to address (once again) your thoughts on this forum.
Guest, I wish there were more people that think like you do. I don't remember a single incident where I can disagree with you. I'm sure that there is probably at least one somewhere if I dig deep.

The reason that I say that "I wish there were more people that think like you" is because our country is being burdened by a growing imbalanced percentage of so-called well educated liberal thinking people. For many years now our universities have had a so-called creative thinkiing element built into their curriculums and that process has taken a slow road in morphing into a liberal, secular and progressive think tank of liberal thinking. Over time this has led to the creation of a lob-sided balance of educators to the favor of liberalism.

Today the balance is so out of wack and opposing points of view discouraged that students in many cases are intentionally getting a skewed view of life and it's issues and don't have much of a chance of learning all sides of life and issues that would permit them to decide on issues for themselves. In a way you can parallel this by saying that if you were born and educated in say Mexico, it's more unlikely than likely that you will be fluently bilingual in both spanish and english. The same goes for many of our youth with the college education they're getting today! I've even seen signs of it in my son who graduated cum Laude from the State University of New York. After some talks with him he has moved from slightly left to the center. I don't really care if he moves further to the right, but I'm at least happy that he can now think freely and clearly for himself on the issues and not solely on an ideology!

To see what I'm talking about here all one needs to do is look at that so-called University of Colorado x-professor Ward Churchill. He was so bad that the College had to reluctantly get rid of him; but he's only the tip of the iceburger and I don't expect in my lifetime that I will ever see an unbiased balance in our institutions of higher learning! All I can hope for is that the trend does reverse itself toward free thinking without bias in either direction.

When I was growing up I used to hear my father (now 87) who was not educated enough to read or write, comment about our next door neighbor. That neighbor was educated and became an engineer with General Electric and my father used to say that if he (my father) had to be as stupid as our neighbor, that he was glad that he never made it past the 1st grade! Although I don't fully agree with that statement, it did however show that there is more wisdom with the uneducated than one would think! At least he was wise enought to have raised me a lot better (of course I wouldn't say otherwise) than many a so-called college educated fathers have raised their offspring!

Now I'm sure that some resident liberal professor, educator or high school teacher (it happens in HS too) will want to chime in and educate us on our wayward thinking, but that's a burden that all us free and logical thinkers will need to endure from time to time. But we at least, still have the freedom to ignore if we chose!
 
Boy, what a trip down memory lane. You're right. That was the person behind the air-conditioned glass with the room-sized computers scurrying reels (remember the first discs- more like luncheon platters) around. Let's not forget that computer screens came in one version. No graphics. No font style choices. Color? Hah! Nothing entertaining. You didn't spend hours hanging around a computer. There was little fun to be had doing so.
You have got to be kidding! :blink:

I spent hours hanging around just such a computer in college. It took me the better part of 6 months to finally crack and win one of the best, and first computer games ever written (in Fortran by the way, and I've still got a printout of the source code), Adventure. It ran on my college's Univac series 60/70 IIRC the number correctly. It was actually an RCA mainframe that was taken over by Univac when RCA got out of the mainframe business. I used to fight for one of the 16 terminals just to play that game.

And by the way, I never bribbed the sysop to run my cards. I dumped the cards after my first program and learned to use the few teletypes and terminals that were available. Of course I also knew how to run my own cards through the machine too, and in fact would sometimes cover for the student assigned to run the machine when he/she needed a restroom break.
..written like the geek that you are :rolleyes: ! Those system names sound familiar and the setup recognizable. The place gave me a headache and all I wanted was out of there. Business students were usually writing simple payroll or database programs.
Geek? I guess that I wasn't a geek! When I was a computer operator back in ancient times (used a chizel and stone to process) I had nightmares during my first year. I had the large IBM tape drives coming at me in my sleep and would wake up in a sweat! We had about 16 of them and had to change the tapes every time we went down - which over 10 times a day wasn't unusual back then. So instead of a geek you can say I was freaked!
 
The old lie: Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori.
Or, even better:

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, sed dulcius pro patria vivere, et dulcissimum pro patria bibere. Ergo, bibamus pro salute patriae.
:rolleyes: yEA rIGHT and "E Pluribus Unum" too!!! I don't know what most of those words mean, but they look and sound appitizing!

I took french, not latin... and I can't speak french either! 8)
 
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