Exceptions to the 13-15 YO rule?

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According to Amtrak, technically, those under 18 do not have to have photo ID, but if the TSA and Amtrak did a random ID check on the train, having the Official School District issued ID's constitutes an Amtrak/TSA approved form of photo ID even though it does not display the DOB.
 
According to Amtrak, technically, those under 18 do not have to have photo ID, but if the TSA and Amtrak did a random ID check on the train, having the Official School District issued ID's constitutes an Amtrak/TSA approved form of photo ID even though it does not display the DOB.
Some school IDs might have DOB, but there's never been anything terribly consistent about school IDs since there's never really been any standards.
 
According to Amtrak, technically, those under 18 do not have to have photo ID, but if the TSA and Amtrak did a random ID check on the train, having the Official School District issued ID's constitutes an Amtrak/TSA approved form of photo ID even though it does not display the DOB.
As I said previously, ID is not required for passengers under 18 if subject to on board checks, and school ID's are not "TSA approved."
 
According to Amtrak: Examples of acceptable forms of ID include:

State or provincial driver's license

Passport

Official government-issued identification (federal, state, city or county government or foreign government)

Canadian provincial health card ID card with photo

Military photo ID

Student identification (university, college or high school photo ID)
 
According to Amtrak: Examples of acceptable forms of ID include:

State or provincial driver's license

Passport

Official government-issued identification (federal, state, city or county government or foreign government)

Canadian provincial health card ID card with photo

Military photo ID

Student identification (university, college or high school photo ID)
School ID's are OK for Amtrak, but not for TSA. That was my issue. You said (twice) that school ID's are "TSA approved," They are not.
 
Why do you think you should get an exception? Just because you know a lot about trains? Sorry, the world the doesn't work that way.
I feel like I am able to travel alone on Amtrak. I handle all Amtrak travel for over 100 family members, I'm even writing a book about traveling on Amtrak. I think there should be an interview to see if a child is capable of traveling on their own. Maybe I'm wrong, and I'm not capable, but since I'm in charge of everything when traveling with family on a train, and never once have I booked the wrong ticket, station, been on the wrong train, or been left behind.
 
Why do you think you should get an exception? Just because you know a lot about trains? Sorry, the world the doesn't work that way.
I feel like I am able to travel alone on Amtrak. I handle all Amtrak travel for over 100 family members, I'm even writing a book about traveling on Amtrak. I think there should be an interview to see if a child is capable of traveling on their own. Maybe I'm wrong, and I'm not capable, but since I'm in charge of everything when traveling with family on a train, and never once have I booked the wrong ticket, station, been on the wrong train, or been left behind.
I don't think anyone here thinks you're incapable. But for you to travel alone breaks a rule. Responses in this thread have outlined what the consequences are likely to be if you're caught breaking that rule. That folks here think it's not a good idea for you to break that rule doesn't mean they think you're incompetent to ride alone.
 
Why do you think you should get an exception? Just because you know a lot about trains? Sorry, the world the doesn't work that way.
I feel like I am able to travel alone on Amtrak. I handle all Amtrak travel for over 100 family members, I'm even writing a book about traveling on Amtrak. I think there should be an interview to see if a child is capable of traveling on their own. Maybe I'm wrong, and I'm not capable, but since I'm in charge of everything when traveling with family on a train, and never once have I booked the wrong ticket, station, been on the wrong train, or been left behind.
Sorry, Henry. It isn't about you and I am sure you are perfectly capable. I myself rode from Los Angeles to Chicago on the Super Chief by myself when I was 15. Santa Fe had no policy against it, so it was perfectly all right then.

But the corporate policy is the corporate policy, and, as others have pointed out, it is probably primarily for legal and liability reasons. There don't appear to be any exceptions to the policy. Don't take it personally, it isn't a reflection on you. I don't think Mike was saying you were not capable, but rather that exceptions aren't made.

With that said, if you are willing to take the possible consequences, that is your decision. But bear in mind, no one is going to risk their job to let you ride. Policies around minors tend to get a lot of attention because the consequences of something happening to a minor are pretty severe in terms of publicity. So, unlike some other policies, this one is likely to be enforced.
 
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What's the history of the Amtrak unaccompanied minors policy? I was 17 in 1971 on A-Day, and I think I rode an Amtrak train at least once before I turned 18. I was riding PRR and Penn Central trains by myself since I was 10. For that matter, when I was 14, my parents put me on a plane to visit my grandmother in Florida, and I don't remember all the bureaucratic ringamorole that I went through when I put my 14 year old daughter on a plane to visit a friend in California. And to this day, I see unaccompanied grade-school age minors riding the Washington Metro and Metrobus. Was there some sort of incident on Amtrak involving an unaccompanied minor?
 
Why do you think you should get an exception? Just because you know a lot about trains? Sorry, the world the doesn't work that way.
I feel like I am able to travel alone on Amtrak. I handle all Amtrak travel for over 100 family members, I'm even writing a book about traveling on Amtrak. I think there should be an interview to see if a child is capable of traveling on their own. Maybe I'm wrong, and I'm not capable, but since I'm in charge of everything when traveling with family on a train, and never once have I booked the wrong ticket, station, been on the wrong train, or been left behind.
But they're not going to make an exception for you or anyone else. Like others said, don't take it personally. Nobody in Amtrak is judging you by denying you the option to ride alone outside the standard policy. You're going to be old enough to ride alone anywhere on Amtrak in short order anyways. Why are you sweating it now?

I'm sure I was ready to ride Amtrak alone at age 12, but I wouldn't have violated the policy for fear of the consequences. At your age I was taking public transportation and spending all day by myself, so a scheduled railroad would have been easy. However, I was allowed to ride alone without needing any adult supervision or escorts at either end. Amtrak doesn't give you that option. That's the way it works.
 
Why do you think you should get an exception? Just because you know a lot about trains? Sorry, the world the doesn't work that way.
I feel like I am able to travel alone on Amtrak. I handle all Amtrak travel for over 100 family members, I'm even writing a book about traveling on Amtrak. I think there should be an interview to see if a child is capable of traveling on their own. Maybe I'm wrong, and I'm not capable, but since I'm in charge of everything when traveling with family on a train, and never once have I booked the wrong ticket, station, been on the wrong train, or been left behind.
To be effective, a policy must be short, simple, and easy to understand and implement with little room for misinterpretation (an interview would be both impractical and much too subjective). It cannot allow for every contingency, but that means some persons such as yourself - who may very well be able to travel alone - cannot get an exception.

Theme parks often set height requirements for attractions, even though some six year old kids are taller than some eight year old children.

You must be 18 to vote, even if you know more about the issues than most adults.

The unaccompanied minor restriction is in place for a reason; Not because of your ability to travel alone, but because many persons your age should not.
 
What's the history of the Amtrak unaccompanied minors policy? I was 17 in 1971 on A-Day, and I think I rode an Amtrak train at least once before I turned 18. I was riding PRR and Penn Central trains by myself since I was 10. For that matter, when I was 14, my parents put me on a plane to visit my grandmother in Florida, and I don't remember all the bureaucratic ringamorole that I went through when I put my 14 year old daughter on a plane to visit a friend in California. And to this day, I see unaccompanied grade-school age minors riding the Washington Metro and Metrobus. Was there some sort of incident on Amtrak involving an unaccompanied minor?
What's the history of the Amtrak unaccompanied minors policy? I was 17 in 1971 on A-Day, and I think I rode an Amtrak train at least once before I turned 18. I was riding PRR and Penn Central trains by myself since I was 10. For that matter, when I was 14, my parents put me on a plane to visit my grandmother in Florida, and I don't remember all the bureaucratic ringamorole that I went through when I put my 14 year old daughter on a plane to visit a friend in California. And to this day, I see unaccompanied grade-school age minors riding the Washington Metro and Metrobus. Was there some sort of incident on Amtrak involving an unaccompanied minor?

Actually, Amtrak had a pretty liberal policy at one point. Up until 2011, children from 8 to 14 were covered under the unaccompanied minor policy and qualifed for restricted travel. Once a child turned 15, they were clear and free to navigate the system as long as they didn't cross the border.

It wasn't one specific incident that brought the change and not unlike Devil's Advocate, I don't recall any attempts to run off with the minors. What I DO recall is the game of finances and a few games of hide and go seek. This change came when they started reducing available staff members on the trains. Typically, it isn't that big of a deal on the long distance trains nor is it that big of a deal with NEC trains. It became an issue during disruptions involving some of the state supported trains or if a train short staffed. There were times that unaccompanied minors became completely unattended minors. I recall occasions where some of the younger children became frightened and inconsolable. I recall occasions where the children were....children. They hid from the crews, attempted to get off early, play and sometimes, wouldn't listen. That's what some children do.

I suppose someone took a good look and decided to raise the age, hoping that a child may have reached a certain level of maturity and could realize what is occurring. Hopefully, they could also respond to instructions and if necessary, take appropriate action, particularly if the crew has to leave the train.

Personally, most of the unaccompanied behaved better than the adults! ^_^
 
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I suspect that the legal department was reviewing Amtrak policies for legal updating to be covered with how legal interprets the company's legal liability. Probably nothing happened, just that legal advised management that there was an opportunity for legal action with the current policy at that time, for minors traveling alone. Based on legal advice to protect Amtrak from those who are looking for their lawsuit to "win the lottery" the policy was changed. Interesting that a legal team is hired to protect their company from others in their profession. Unfortunately, many minors, like yourself, who are very experienced and very mature are hurt by those people in our society who are looking for a way to sue. Also, parents are far too quick to file a law suit over nothing.
 
Yup I remember that policy well. It wasn't as well enforced either.

I traveled as an unaccompanied minor quite a few times (year 2000ish) including when I was 10 on a then called Acela Regional to Westerly, RI on a weekend when no station agent was on duty. It wasn't a problem, I remember being "upgraded" to Buissiness Class so the staff could keep a better eye on me.

I think I also got on and off at a few unstaffed stations in Vermont when I was 12 and 13.

The funniest moment I remember in about 2006 was making a reservation by phone for the Vermonter for a 15 year old cousin and her friend (also 15) one of them was allowed to get the Child discount with the other traveling as the adult on the same reservation.
 
Why do you think you should get an exception? Just because you know a lot about trains? Sorry, the world the doesn't work that way.
I feel like I am able to travel alone on Amtrak. I handle all Amtrak travel for over 100 family members, I'm even writing a book about traveling on Amtrak. I think there should be an interview to see if a child is capable of traveling on their own. Maybe I'm wrong, and I'm not capable, but since I'm in charge of everything when traveling with family on a train, and never once have I booked the wrong ticket, station, been on the wrong train, or been left behind.
To be effective, a policy must be short, simple, and easy to understand and implement with little room for misinterpretation (an interview would be both impractical and much too subjective). It cannot allow for every contingency, but that means some persons such as yourself - who may very well be able to travel alone - cannot get an exception.

Theme parks often set height requirements for attractions, even though some six year old kids are taller than some eight year old children.

You must be 18 to vote, even if you know more about the issues than most adults.

The unaccompanied minor restriction is in place for a reason; Not because of your ability to travel alone, but because many persons your age should not.
thats why I started the thread, to see if there was some way to interview to get a sort of pass to travel unaccompanied, by proving my abilities to travel.
 
Why do you think you should get an exception? Just because you know a lot about trains? Sorry, the world the doesn't work that way.
I feel like I am able to travel alone on Amtrak. I handle all Amtrak travel for over 100 family members, I'm even writing a book about traveling on Amtrak. I think there should be an interview to see if a child is capable of traveling on their own. Maybe I'm wrong, and I'm not capable, but since I'm in charge of everything when traveling with family on a train, and never once have I booked the wrong ticket, station, been on the wrong train, or been left behind.
To be effective, a policy must be short, simple, and easy to understand and implement with little room for misinterpretation (an interview would be both impractical and much too subjective). It cannot allow for every contingency, but that means some persons such as yourself - who may very well be able to travel alone - cannot get an exception.

Theme parks often set height requirements for attractions, even though some six year old kids are taller than some eight year old children.

You must be 18 to vote, even if you know more about the issues than most adults.

The unaccompanied minor restriction is in place for a reason; Not because of your ability to travel alone, but because many persons your age should not.
thats why I started the thread, to see if there was some way to interview to get a sort of pass to travel unaccompanied, by proving my abilities to travel.
There already is an interview required for Amtrak's existing unaccompanied minor policy between two staffed stations. They've determined that this is the way they're going to operate, even if both stations are staffed Also - I was reading somewhere that the designated wristband might have been discontinued because it might mark out minors without guardians.

Again - nothing personal about you. Like many things in like (driving age, drinking age, voting age) these age limits are more or less arbitrary but try to find a point where it can work out with as little fuss as possible.
 
I was thinking much more in depth, like an hour long interview to determine the capability of the traveler. Or perhaps an executive order of some sort
 
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Liability is the major factor here, I believe. Here on the NEC, minors are typically placed in the Cafe at reserved tables to themselves. The LSA and Conductor will keep an eye on the minor.

I have seen dozens of cases of parents purchasing Adult tickets online for their minor children, dropping them off at the curbside, and taking off, apparently because their demanding schedule doesn't provide enough time to see their minor child onto the train.

When these children speak with station agents or present their ticket to the conductor and reveal their age when asked for Photo ID, CNOC is notified, who then explains the UMNR policy to the parents, and if on board, the train crew may turn the minor over to Amtrak Police or the local authorities at the next staffed station.

When the parent is notified they usually claim how "independent" and "mature" their 13-15 year old is, and how "they've done it before." But when something doesn't go quite right, it's suddenly "My Baby!"

In this litigious society, the risk to Amtrak is all too real. There would absolutely be grounds for severe discipline, likely termination, if an agent of Amtrak knowingly allowed a 13-15 year old to travel against policy.

Can you have an adult travel with you? Soon enough you'll be able to travel freely.
 
I was thinking much more in depth, like an hour long interview to determine the capability of the traveler. Or perhaps an executive order of some sort
Now you're just being silly or perhaps stubborn. Perhaps you're not trying to be, but do you understand how strange that sounds to anyone who has dealt with real world customer service? That's just naive to think that Amtrak is going to devote an hour of an employee's time interviewing a 15 year old. With their current policy it's probably just a few questions asking if the minors knows where they're going, who is meeting them, and if they can follow/remember directions.
 
I am curious, does anyone in Amtrak have the authority to grant executive orders?
 
Norfolk, I know you're a guy who knows a lot about trains and seems to be very responsible, but do you really think a big corporation would assign an employee to listen to your plea -- or take some kind of a test -- for an hour or so? Using this thinking, perhaps a local barkeep could interview every underage kid interested in buying a drink and see if they are "responsible" enough to down a beer or two.
 
I am curious, does anyone in Amtrak have the authority to grant executive orders?
The CEO and his executive staff can grant executive orders.
Sure. I'm sure an executive order was probably what set the current Amtrak unaccompanied minors policy as well as what set the previous one. However, it's a really, really long stretch to think that they're going to implement an executive order to grant one minor (who can wait less than a year for that right) the right to ride alone.
 
Norfolk, I know you're a guy who knows a lot about trains and seems to be very responsible, but do you really think a big corporation would assign an employee to listen to your plea -- or take some kind of a test -- for an hour or so? Using this thinking, perhaps a local barkeep could interview every underage kid interested in buying a drink and see if they are "responsible" enough to down a beer or two.
I guess it is technically different, as alcoholic beverage sales/consumption age is regulated by law, and one could easily get a license suspended or even revoked for deliberately serving alcohol to a minor.

There is no particular law that sets unaccompanied minor policies. That's merely a corporate policy with airlines, bus companies, and railroads. That being said, the idea that they're going to interview kids for an hour to see what makes the kid tick just seems strange on its face. They're understaffed as it is. Part of the rationale for eliminating the 8-12 unaccompanied minor policy was that they're lacking the staff already. So they're going to be tying up an hour of a station employee's time that could be spent selling tickets, moving baggage, helping passengers, etc. And so a 15 year old can get to an unstaffed station?
 
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