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I first read this at Trains Newswire, and then found more information in this article in The Indianapolis Star.

From the 'Indy Star' article:

A state Senate committee approved a bill Tuesday that would allow for an expanded mass transit system in Central Indiana, but not without protests from Democrats and some business groups.

The Senate Tax and Fiscal Policy Committee voted 8-4 in favor of Senate Bill 176 after about an hour of testimony and an amendment that, among other things, would prevent light rail from being part of the expansion.

The measure now moves to the full Senate.

The bill, as originally proposed by Sen. Patricia Miller, R-Indianapolis, would allow five counties — Marion, Hamilton, Johnson, Delaware and Madison — to raise income and business taxes to pay for public transportation.

It also would require the voters in those counties to approve the plans, and would require that fares cover 25 percent of the system’s operating costs.

Decisions about what type of transit system to build would be left to each county.

But at the start of Tuesday’s hearing — the transit bill’s first of 2014 — Republican committee members voted to change the measure.

An amendment brought forward by committee Chairman Brandt Hershman, R-Buck Creek, adds Hancock County to list of eligible counties, bans light rail, and prevents state funds from being used for any expansion...

...Those changes outraged the committee’s four Democrats, who accused their GOP colleagues of helping Indianapolis Mayor Greg Ballard do an “end run” around the Democrat-controlled city-county council.

“I feel like we’ve been totally ambushed this morning,” said Sen. Karen Tallian, D-Portage, who called the amendment “the proverbial poison pill.”

“This just turned my enthusiastic ‘yes’ into an angry ‘no way,’ ” she said.

Hershman, however, argued the changes would make the project more likely to succeed. Republicans outvoted Democrats 7-3 to amend the bill.
While looking for the 'no light rail' article in The Indianapolis Star I first came across this article on an alleged "demon house" in the 'steel town' of Gary.

Makes me wonder: Do some folks see the devil in things related to steel? :lol:

Edited to fix an egregious spelling error.
 
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Looks like it will be a very long time before Indianapolis makes the list of cities with good rail or fixed guideway transit systems.
 
Ditto! When Political Talking Points" become more Important than Policy and actually doing the job that Politicians are Elected for (to serve the Common Good!), this is what results! Let the Good People of Indianapolis sit in Gridlock Traffic or Walk, maybe theyll wake up and throw these Morons out Eventually? Naw, We Get the Government We Deserve! :help:
 
People get the government they deserve.

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Tommy Thompson, former governor of Wisconsin and former Amtrak board member, advocated a similar restriction of Milwaukee (hence, no light rail there).
 
Bleah. This reminds me of the anti-rail bills which passed the Ohio Legislature, and sabotaged Columbus (but didn't stop Cincy) and the "do not talk about the Dan Patch Line" bill which was forced through by NIMBYs from Edina and Bloomington in Minnesota.

You have to wonder whether there are a bunch of siderodromophobia cases going on in these legislatures.
 
Even basic bus service is at atrociously lacking levels in Indianapolis, unfortunately. They just don't understand anything other than automobile at all.

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Update on the transit legislation in Indiana. Indy Star: House panel approves amended transit legislation. The Indiana House Roads and Transportation Committee voted 11-1 in favor of the state Senate bill with some amendments adding a county to the counties covered in the bill and removing a tax requirement. Further down in the article, it says this:

"Most other aspects of the bill remain unchanged. It allows local governments to raise income taxes to fund an expansion and requires fares to cover 25 percent of the cost. Voters in each county would have to approve the expansion, and decisions about what type of transit system to build would be left to each county, though light rail would be prohibited." (boldface mine)

So the LRT ban is in the bill. Ok, so each county can decide what type of transit system they can build, but it can't be LRT. Well, that limits the options doesn't it? No streetcars, no light rail. Presumably no heavy rail rapid transit, either if a study were to find that was the best long term option. Also, each county gets to decide what to build? That could make for a poorly designed and connected pseudo BRT system.
 
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I'd like to see one or two counties throw a light rail alternative into their study and then basically announce "Based on the alternatives analysis, we wish to do light rail but are being barred by this stupid bill."
 
I'd like to see one or two counties throw a light rail alternative into their study and then basically announce "Based on the alternatives analysis, we wish to do light rail but are being barred by this stupid bill."
The ban is apparently on using any of the tax revenues provided for in the bill on light rail. Which effectively blocks light rail, but I don't know this would affect the required alternative analysis needed to obtain federal funding. Maybe the alternative studies can include monorail, maglev, and hyperloop. :p

Streetsblog has a report which provides additional info on the bill: Indiana Transit Bill Moves Forward With Only Some of Its Worst Provisions.

My takeaway from these reports is that it will be a very long time before Indianapolis will be regarded as having a good transit system. The city will have to lose population and jobs in part due to a lousy or barely functional transit system first.
 
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My takeaway from these reports is that it will be a very long time before Indianapolis will be regarded as having a good transit system. The city will have to lose population and jobs in part due to a lousy or barely functional transit system first.
This has already been happening to Indianapolis, but unfortunately it has been happening more slowly there than in most of the rust belt car-dominated cities -- which means the pressure to improve the public transportation is much less in Indianapolis.

Indianapolis is also outrageously unwalkable. The home of the Indy 500 really, really expects you to have a car. www.transitcolumbus.org/the-score-part-one/

=We'll probably see huge improvements in Columbus, Ohio first.
 
Indy Star

Light rail complicates Central Indiana transit legislation
Light rail could become part of an ­expanded Central Indiana mass transit system under changes the Indiana House made Thursday to legislation making its way through the General ­Assembly.

The change — one of several the House made — could put the measure at risk in the Senate, which failed to ­embrace light rail in the bill it passed earlier this month.

The transit bill’s author, Sen. Patricia Miller, R-Indianapolis, said she had hoped she could concur with the legislation that emerges from the House but likely won’t be able to now.

“Light rail was an issue with a lot of legislators early in the process, and I think this is going to have to be something we go back and revisit,” Miller said. “I think this changes the landscape.”

Supporters of expanded mass transit, including Indianapolis Mayor Greg Ballard, would like light rail to be an ­option. But some lawmakers are concerned about the potential costs.

Rep. Mike Speedy, R-Indianapolis, said he feared the inclusion of light rail would “expose constituents to cost overruns and billions of dollars in debt.”

But Rep. Ed DeLaney, D-Indianapolis, argued that the General Assembly shouldn’t tell local governments what kind of transportation they should use.

Senate Bill 176 would allow counties in Central Indiana to fund a mass transit system with voter approval. Local governments would be allowed to raise ­income taxes to fund an expansion, and fares would be required to cover 25 percent of the cost.

The House also voted Thursday to restore a requirement that businesses pitch in 10 percent of the operating costs for any expanded mass transit system.

A House transportation committee previously removed a Senate provision that would have levied a corporate ­income or employment tax.

That was an important provision for many in the Senate who wanted the business community — which has lobbied for expanded mass transit for years — to have “skin in the game.”

Under the new House version, counties would be required to fund 10 percent of the transit system’s operating costs from sources other than fares and taxes. Those sources are intended, but not required, to come from the county’s 25 largest employers and could include advertising or minimum monthly sales guarantees of transit passes.

Miller wasn’t sure those requirements went far enough in getting the business community to participate.

“One of the things that has been mentioned is advertising on the buses,” she said. “Well, they already do that, so that’s not any kind of new revenue.”

The House made two other changes to the bill Thursday.

One removed Hendricks from the list of eligible counties. That leaves Marion, Delaware, Hamilton, Hancock, Johnson and Madison counties.

If the House gives the measure final approval next week, Miller said, she will seek to add Shelby County.

The House also restored language from the Senate version that would require services to be provided to all citizens of a county. Members of the House Roads and Transportation Committee had expressed concerns about that provision’s potential for inviting litigation.

The full House must give final approval to the amended bill. It likely would then go to conference committee, where the two chambers would try to work out their differences.

Call Star reporter Tony Cook at

(317) 444-6081. Follow him on Twitter: @indystartony.
Well, at least the fight is still going strong at the moment.
 
Saw this link on Streetsblog on a news update on the transit bill in the Indiana state legislature: House OKs mass transit bill for Central Indiana. The IN House version allows the local community the option of light rail.

The Senate wants the business community to cover 10 percent of the expanded system’s operating costs through a new corporate income or employment tax, while the House wants to give counties the option of developing a light rail system in addition to bus service.

Despite those disagreements, Rep. Jerry Torr, the Carmel Republican who sponsored the bill in the House, said he believes the two chambers can reach a compromise.
That there is such a major fight in the state legislature over even allowing the LRT option to be included in studies and future planning says that if the feasibility and alternative option studies recommend LRT, it will face a serious uphill fight to be the selected design.
 
It looks that it will be no light rail for Indianapolis. While transit may be making a comeback on a national level, irrational decisions like this by the state legislature shows that political opposition will keep some cities in the have-not category for good transit systems. Once a LRT exclusion is in the law, it could take decades to change it.

Indy Star: Progress made on mass transit compromise

A bill that would clear the way for a mass transit system in Central Indiana is poised for a final vote after House and Senate negotiators agreed Wednesday to exclude light rail and remove a proposed business tax from the measure.

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Sen. Patricia Miller, R-Indianapolis, and Rep. Jerry Torr, R-Carmel, have been negotiating on the mass transit measure ever since the House and Senate passed different versions earlier in the session.

“There’s no corporate tax and no light rail,” Miller said of the compromise legislation.
 
It looks that it will be no light rail for Indianapolis. While transit may be making a comeback on a national level, irrational decisions like this by the state legislature shows that political opposition will keep some cities in the have-not category for good transit systems. Once a LRT exclusion is in the law, it could take decades to change it.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
 
Clock ticking on mass transit bill as Gov. Mike Pence ponders decision
Supporters of a measure that would clear the way for an expanded mass transit system in Central Indiana think they have done all they can to make the bill palatable to Gov. Mike Pence, but so far he has remained noncommittal.
And the clock is ticking.

Pence has until Thursday to sign the bill, veto it or let it become law without his signature. He indicated Tuesday that a decision could come as early as [Tuesday]....

Rep. Jerry Torr, a Carmel Republican and one of the bill’s sponsors, said the proposal offers plenty of safeguards.

Senate Bill 176 would allow six counties — Marion, Hamilton, Hancock, Johnson, Delaware and Madison — to have voter referendums on whether to fund mass transit projects, primarily through income tax hikes.
 
Mass transit battle's next stop: ballot boxes


The fight over whether to expand mass transit in Central Indiana could be coming to a ballot box near you.
If voters approve, it will hit your wallet.

After three years of Statehouse lobbying by local government officials and other backers, Gov. Mike Pence signed a bill Wednesday allowing six counties to take steps to enlarge their mass transit systems.
 
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