Good for you! My parents taught me the same. Trespassing is an art form.If the passenger doesn't "take away" from a paying passenger, then "no harm, no foul" in my mind. Maybe my mind is a little warped from the 60's and 70's time period I grew up in.
You've got to realize that when you are the shady side of the "law" or the "rules" the person in that position is taking risks, and they need to be prepared to pay, whatever costs, if "caught".
I teach my kids to follow the rules and obey the law. But also teach them to challenge and question. "Do Not Enter" does not really mean "Do Not Enter". It means "if" you do enter, and do get caught, you better be ready to pay. But more than that, THINK about why the sign says "Do Not Enter" and the REASON they have that sign there, (safety, security, etc.,) before you just willy-nilly "enter"...........
First, I agree fully with you.If you want to use First Class Amenities then pay for them. It is unfair to those who do pay for First Class to have Coach passengers use or get the First Class extras for free. In my opinion!
This statement just shows that you break rules for the thrill of it, and because you believe you're above everybody else. It's definitely NOT that you can't afford it. It is people like you that cause more rules to be made, and those rules to be enforced impacting everybody's freedoms. And why? Because you get your kicks off of it. It's disgusting, and it is classified as neurotic behavior. (See Winona Ryder).Good for you! My parents taught me the same. Trespassing is an art form.
While that is very true (for the most part), I don't think that using the shower, getting coffee while walking thru or sleeping in the room that you are not named to the reservation is included in "sharing"!Basically, a sleeper passenger can "share" their amenities with whomever they pleased.
Hi everyone,
Haha, should have known this would be a topic to incite much debate.
I'm a solo traveler, and moreover a poverty-stricken one, so actually going first class isn't really an option for a non-overnight trip. But thank you for the info about the wine tasting!
I'll let y'all know if I succeed in my trespassing - or if I get keel-hauled into the Pacific.
-Liz-
Now that I have learned some more about you, I have another suggestion for you.Oh also! Is there wifi on the train?
Hi everyone,
Haha, should have known this would be a topic to incite much debate.
I'm a solo traveler, and moreover a poverty-stricken one, so actually going first class isn't really an option for a non-overnight trip. But thank you for the info about the wine tasting!
I'll let y'all know if I succeed in my trespassing - or if I get keel-hauled into the Pacific.
-Liz-
You better hope you have a good personality. I would say your odds of getting through the dining car are 20% the LSA will wonder how someone in the sleepers already visited coach, and walked through without being seen the first time. Unless you are a motivational speaker the LSA has most likely heard them all, and won't let you through. I've never been in a PPC so I have no idea if that attendant will see you come in.Good for you! My parents taught me the same. Trespassing is an art form.
Are you beginning to get the idea?Hello everyone,
I will be taking my first trip on the Coast Starlight next Monday, LA to SF. I have no desire to get a room or roomette, since it's a daytime trip and I'm not interested in isolating myself. But I would really like to experience hanging out in the PPC, since it sounds so nice!
So... how difficult is it for a coach passenger to go hang out on the PPC? Do they check tickets at the entrance? Or could I just lay low and be fine? Obviously I wouldn't attempt to eat any meals there or otherwise swipe amenities other than a book or two from the library, and as I'm traveling on a Monday I imagine it will be pretty empty...
Thanks!
-Liz-
The PPC is for Sleeping Car Passengers ONLY-except during wine tastings. So, folllowing this point, Sleeping Car Passengers are paying for the use of the PPC. Just like they are paying for their meals with the bedroom/roomette price. I have noticed that usually the low bucket for the CS bedrooms seem to be higher than say, the CZ.
So, then do you think it's ok on a plane to sneak from coach to first class, because it's "no harm, no foul"? Actually yes, but it doesn't work on a plane.
So if I want to 'light up' on a train to see if I can get away with it, you'd be ok with that? Again, yes. But If I catch you, I will tell you that you can't smoke on a train, and if you don't put it out, I'm gonna call the *****.
Or if I want to wander downstairs in the diner to check out the kitchen? How about the Transdorm or the Loco? Been in all three, and met some nice people, and have been asked to leave too.........
Just wondering...
I don't think the staff would appreciate me testing the limits like that. Remember, I'm the idiot who used to go to the baggage car after we served the last passenger in the diner, throw a couple of sacks of mail together to make a chair, and open the baggage door all the way open... (and untwist the light bulbs too, so if the conductor did enter, I'd have a second or two to hide.......) It was the original "Big Screen Theatre"....... and YES, I made sure to re-twist the light bulbs back B4 I left. "There's something about the smell of brake shoes as the train descends the Rockies late at night......."
Do not Enter does not really mean "Do Not Enter"?
It means 'you may get in trouble'? Think about why the sign is there? How about just don't go in there, you aren't supposed to be there!
I agree with you, I think being raised in 60s-70s may have slightly warped you. A lot of us were warped then & still are! This is not meant as a personal attack or insult, so please don't take it that way.
I wish I'd said that!Some folks think that rules should be followed and others don't. Kinda nice to know who is who.
And then there are those that believe rules are for everyone else, but not them.I wish I'd said that!Some folks think that rules should be followed and others don't. Kinda nice to know who is who.
.........And our country was founded by....Patriots who followed the "rules".....And then there are those that believe rules are for everyone else, but not them.I wish I'd said that!Some folks think that rules should be followed and others don't. Kinda nice to know who is who.
Aloha
I use the word "Aloha" because I like its multiple meanings, centered around caring for for those around us.
Take it easy dude..........And our country was founded by....Patriots who followed the "rules".....And then there are those that believe rules are for everyone else, but not them.I wish I'd said that!Some folks think that rules should be followed and others don't. Kinda nice to know who is who.
Aloha
I use the word "Aloha" because I like its multiple meanings, centered around caring for for those around us.
Anyway, you guys are all right. Follow the rules. Toe the line. And WHATever you do, don't draw outside the lines.............
Brand me a miscreant, anarchist, dissenter, malcontent, voting Republican. (Hey! No politics here, it's against the rules!) I'll just crawl back into my box now....
MY EXACT THOUGHTS!!! I didn't even know one could use those two terms in the same sentence. Folks I see in my neck of the woods who would truly fit the term "poverty-stricken" would not be able to afford the computer. I make a reasonable wage, and certainly couldn't swing anything more than the most basic of Netbooks.I have to agree with railiner - how can you be so "poverty-stricken" yet inquire about wi-fi on the train? :huh:
Yes, they followed the 'rules'. They appealed to the King repeatedly with their complaints and were ignored until finally, they declared their Independence. But even when the colonies did that many of them hoped to fix the situation and remain part of Britain..........And our country was founded by....Patriots who followed the "rules".....And then there are those that believe rules are for everyone else, but not them.I wish I'd said that!Some folks think that rules should be followed and others don't. Kinda nice to know who is who.
Aloha
I use the word "Aloha" because I like its multiple meanings, centered around caring for for those around us.
Anyway, you guys are all right. Follow the rules. Toe the line. And WHATever you do, don't draw outside the lines.............
Brand me a miscreant, anarchist, dissenter, malcontent, voting Republican. (Hey! No politics here, it's against the rules!) I'll just crawl back into my box now....
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