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We've seen way too many stories like this one.

Photographer Killed While Taking Pictures of an Oncoming Train

That one seems even more stupid than most. And also today, we see another well-meaning article trying to figure out what it all means.

Pedestrian Deaths on Railroad Tracks: The Failure of Design

But last night, I heard a presentation from the Youth Suicide Prevention Program, which included some pretty shocking statistics. And while organizations like Operation Lifesaver do excellent work, they aren't focused on people who use trains as vehicles for suicide.

As train advocates, we need to support groups that are working to reduce the number of people -- in high-risk groups like victims of bullying -- who will want to use trains to kill themselves. In addition to the tragic consequences for families, friends, communities, and rail workers, reducing such incidents means that those who don't like trains will have fewer reasons for restricting train operations.

I encourage you, as part of your year-end charitable giving, to support organizations that work with kids and others to prevent suicides. And don't forget to send checks to the national and local rail advocacy groups.
 
BNSF train strikes, kills person near Tacoma

BNSF Railway says a person is dead after being struck by one of its freight trains near Tacoma, Wash.
Railroad spokesman Gus Melonas...says the train was traveling from Seattle to Portland when it hit a person trespassing on BNSF Railway property about three miles south of Tacoma, in the Titlow Beach area.

Melonas says the incident shut down the line for about two hours and delayed two trains. There were no injuries to the train crew.

Melonas says the person was the 14th to be struck and fatally injured by a train on BNSF property this year.
 
These deaths are getting very annoying. We need to try to stop them. There are just so many people killed by trains these days.
Also guns. Guns kill way too many innocent people for no fault of them. We need to stop them first.
Please leave guns off this topic. It is far to volitile a topic and not is not part of this thread.
 
These deaths are getting very annoying. We need to try to stop them. There are just so many people killed by trains these days.
Also guns. Guns kill way too many innocent people for no fault of them. We need to stop them first.
Mostly perception. Fatalities by both trains, and guns, has been trending down over the last couple of decades. The number of incidents hasn't increased, and is actually lower, but the number of headlines, and the sensationalism of some of the recent events makes one more aware of the events. Gotta love the 24 hour news cycle. But, in any event, I agree, one train death is too many. Stay off, stay away, stay alive.
 
Will spare the obligatory Operation Lifesaver commentary. OLI made some decent steps about a decade ago to branch in to trespassing and pedestrian safety issues as a result of the success from 30 years of Look Listen Live campaign. But it seems that this has been a greater challenge within OLI to get the message out than it was with the 3L program. Common sense would tell you, "big train, little person, squish" but I do not know about people anymore. It seems like each decade, human situational awareness is decreasing.
 
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These deaths are getting very annoying. We need to try to stop them. There are just so many people killed by trains these days.
Also guns. Guns kill way too many innocent people for no fault of them. We need to stop them first.
Mostly perception. Fatalities by both trains, and guns, has been trending down over the last couple of decades. The number of incidents hasn't increased, and is actually lower, but the number of headlines, and the sensationalism of some of the recent events makes one more aware of the events. Gotta love the 24 hour news cycle. But, in any event, I agree, one train death is too many. Stay off, stay away, stay alive.
How exactly does one go about "sensationalizing" the deliberate murder of innocent children?
 
It seems like each decade, human situational awareness is decreasing.
I agree. I think wearing earbuds with music cranked up while walking is a sign of that. I have seen kids almost get run over on the street because they couldn't hear a vehicle approaching. And not so long ago, there was a story posted/linked here about a teenager killed by a train - and he had his ipod or whatever playing at the time...

That is not suicide, it's fatal lack of awareness.
 
A fatal trend: N.J. train deaths have increased since state launched safety initiative

Spurred by the deaths of three teenage boys on the train tracks in a 24-hour period in 2011, the state Department of Transportation and NJ Transit redoubled safety efforts.
The agencies extended fencing, stepped up patrols and placed new warning signs at stations. They increased education in schools and filmed hard-hitting public service announcements, one of them bluntly titled "You’re Dead."
They even took to social media, targeting kids and adults alike with the message that a train is a brutally efficient killer.
But more than a year after that safety initiative was launched, the deaths continue to mount. Worse, they have accelerated.
Twenty-three people have been killed on tracks shared by NJ Transit and Amtrak this year, setting a pace that could make 2013 New Jersey’s deadliest year on the rails in decades.
The eight-month total, bloated by 10 deaths in July and August, already has eclipsed last year’s 22 fatalities. Since 1990, deaths on NJ Transit’s system have climbed above 30 just five times, with a high of 34 in 2010, agency records show.
Behind the surge are suicides, which have steadily increased even as accidental deaths have declined, the records show. Just two of this year’s fatalities have been labeled accidents. Four have yet to be classified. The rest are considered suicides or possible suicides....
Trespasser deaths — a category that includes those who died intentionally or who were accidentally killed walking along or across the tracks — jumped 26 percent in the first five months of 2013, according to records kept by the Federal Railroad Administration. More recent figures have yet to be compiled by the agency....
Last August, the FRA convened a national summit on trespasser deaths with state transportation officials, law enforcement officials and representatives of Operation Lifesaver, a nonprofit group that promotes rail safety.
The attendees came up with dozens of ideas for improving safety, some of which have been implemented in New Jersey, but the industry as a whole continues to struggle with people intent on taking their own lives. For some of those people, the tracks are a beacon....
Gun owners who commit suicide, for example, will typically use their own weapons to end their lives, Berman said. In the absence of a weapon, he said, people will look for what’s close and convenient.
There is another reason — perhaps an obvious one — why suicidal people choose the tracks: Trains almost always kill....
There are few discernible patterns in the 23 years of data provided by NJ Transit. Sometimes fatalities are spaced out evenly over a year. Sometimes they come in bunches. In one 18-day span this summer — July 31 to Aug. 17 — seven people were killed.
"They choose the tracks because the tracks are there. Availability and access are the top reasons when one has intent."


The victims this year ranged in age from 18 to 60. All but three were men, a statistic in keeping with national averages.
A demographic study produced by the FRA last year showed that 82 percent of those killed on the tracks were men. Eighty-one percent were white. In just over half the cases, alcohol or drugs had been used prior to the incidents.
In an attempt to counter suicidal behavior, NJ Transit is placing posters bearing a crisis hotline at the agency’s 164 stations. That work is about 80 percent complete, spokesman William Smith said. The number is (855) 654-6735....
Beyond the posters, NJ Transit and the state DOT have made scores of safety improvements. In Garfield, the scene of more train fatalities than any community in New Jersey, workers have added fencing and an electronic sign that gives an audible warning when a second train is coming.
In Matawan, so-called "skirts" have been installed below crossing gates, preventing people from ducking under them. Along certain high-risk routes, workers have cleared brush to give engineers better visibility.
In Hamilton Township, where several people committed suicide by stepping in front of high-speed Amtrak Acela trains, police now monitor a camera that watches over the tracks, said Hirt, the Operation Lifesaver coordinator.
If someone shows signs of despondency or wanders too close to the tracks, police respond, Hirt said.
Even with those measures, however, more could be done, contends Berman, of the American Association of Suicidology.
Fencing, for instance, should be extended even farther from rail stations, he said....
And while signs advertising a crisis hotline certainly won’t hurt, Berman said, they should be paired with dedicated telephones that instantly connect to a counselor. NJ Transit and Amtrak don’t provide those phones, he said.
In a statement, NJ Transit said it is doing "everything possible" to prevent accidental deaths and has partnered with suicide prevention agencies to address suicidal trespassers.
The agency also urged people to consider the impact fatalities have on train crews and first responders....


 
 
Sounds like a prime example of the law of unintended consequences. The campaign may well have reduced accidental deaths (no way to judge without more information on that front), but putting up signs that advertise the lethal nature of trains is likely to have the opposite effect on suicidal people.
 
Sounds like a prime example of the law of unintended consequences. The campaign may well have reduced accidental deaths (no way to judge without more information on that front), but putting up signs that advertise the lethal nature of trains is likely to have the opposite effect on suicidal people.
That's ture, most suicidal people seem foolishly determined to die. As good as the train is, it's probably the most efficient "killer" out of the "common" modes of transport. Maybe advertising the opposite would work to some effect, but most people know that a train will kill you very quickly.
 
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