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I have a baby painted turtle in a little carry on cage with no water just sand wet, and I relly want to know if I can carry my pet write by my side the train ride , it has 100% no chance of escaping. Plz tell me I can bring him
How do you know that this person's pet is a so-called "comfort animal"? An animal that is not a service animal is not automatically therefore a comfort animal.No comfort animals on Amtrak! No, no, no! :excl:
Agreed.Put it in something that does not look like a cage, but just a bag of some kind that you can, if in coach, put under your feet or overhead rack, I would have at it. I would consider under your feet or on the seat beside you if it is unoccupied because you do no want somebody elst to throw a bag on top of it or scrunch it up. As said, in sleeper it will be really easy to get away with it and not worry about anything happening to the little critter, either.
Yes I am suggesting how somebody can get away with breaking a rule, but I see this as a "no harm, no foul" situation.
I disagree. We should not be encouraging anyone to violate the rules.Agreed.Put it in something that does not look like a cage, but just a bag of some kind that you can, if in coach, put under your feet or overhead rack, I would have at it. I would consider under your feet or on the seat beside you if it is unoccupied because you do no want somebody elst to throw a bag on top of it or scrunch it up. As said, in sleeper it will be really easy to get away with it and not worry about anything happening to the little critter, either.
Yes I am suggesting how somebody can get away with breaking a rule, but I see this as a "no harm, no foul" situation.
If you are not stupid, you can make this work and you will get to bring your turtle. I can safely say that I believe you that the turtle can't escape the cage
Go ahead and try it nbd IMO.
Why not? In an era when even something as minor and mundane as handing food to a homeless person can be against the law I see little value in blind obedience. Amtrak has chosen a hardline policy with zero tolerance and no exceptions. We're simply adding some much needed nuance to the situation. That doesn't mean we're advocating people turn Amtrak into a petting zoo.I disagree. We should not be encouraging anyone to violate the rules.Agreed. If you are not stupid, you can make this work and you will get to bring your turtle. I can safely say that I believe you that the turtle can't escape the cagePut it in something that does not look like a cage, but just a bag of some kind that you can, if in coach, put under your feet or overhead rack, I would have at it. I would consider under your feet or on the seat beside you if it is unoccupied because you do no want somebody elst to throw a bag on top of it or scrunch it up. As said, in sleeper it will be really easy to get away with it and not worry about anything happening to the little critter, either. Yes I am suggesting how somebody can get away with breaking a rule, but I see this as a "no harm, no foul" situation.
Go ahead and try it nbd IMO.
That argument would carry a lot more weight if you could include which specific rules passengers have managed to successfully lobby Amtrak to change in the past.I am amused by the amount of time people today spend on trying to "break" the rules. How about spending just half of that time to change rules that don't make sense. Just my 2 cents.
Because sometimes either:Aloha
I am amused by the amount of time people today spend on trying to "break" the rules. How about spending just half of that time to change rules that don't make sense. Just my 2 cents.
The Centers for Disease Control has an advisory about pet turtles causing Salmonella infections:I have a baby painted turtle in a little carry on cage with no water just sand wet, and I relly want to know if I can carry my pet write by my side the train ride , it has 100% no chance of escaping. Plz tell me I can bring him
Encouraging this individual to break the rules is irresponsible, IMHO.I respectfully disagree with Pennyk and GG-1. Yes we are helping to "break the rules", but the same can be said about encouraging someone to drive 26 mph in a 25 mph zone! It's not like she was tying to bring a lion or tiger on board. I bet if you looked in everyone's carry-on, I think you will find someone with contraband. Why do Police dogs sometimes walk thru the train. Maybe they are looking for turtles or cans of beer not sold by Amtrak, but my guess is they are more likely searching for drugs!
Perhaps she's moving to a new location and the train in the only option for getting from her current home to her new home. And I doubt she can ship her turtle by any other means.Encouraging this individual to break the rules is irresponsible, IMHO.I respectfully disagree with Pennyk and GG-1. Yes we are helping to "break the rules", but the same can be said about encouraging someone to drive 26 mph in a 25 mph zone! It's not like she was tying to bring a lion or tiger on board. I bet if you looked in everyone's carry-on, I think you will find someone with contraband. Why do Police dogs sometimes walk thru the train. Maybe they are looking for turtles or cans of beer not sold by Amtrak, but my guess is they are more likely searching for drugs!
Judging by grammar and syntax, this seems (to me) to be a tween-ish individual who REALLY REALLY REALLY wants to bring her turtle on her trip, rather than bear the thought of being away from the turtle for a week or two while a friend/relative cares for it.
Firstly, it's a good growth experience for such individuals to experience some separation and grow from the experience.
Secondly, if a hard-ass employee finds the turtle, and decides to enforce the existing policy, the individual will be faced with a NUMBER of unattractive alternatives (unboarding with the animal with some or all of her family, costing hundreds of dollars they may not be able to afford, or abandoning said animal, etc), all because she couldn't BEAR the thought of being away from pokey poo for a week.
Responsibility... pass it on.
I don't think anyone is recommending allowing contact between the turtle and others.The Centers for Disease Control has an advisory about pet turtles causing Salmonella infections: http://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/spotlight_an_turtles.htm The advisory notes that susceptible individuals may acquire fatal infections.
I'd say it's no less responsible than than the zero tolerance no exceptions policy that spawned it.Encouraging this individual to break the rules is irresponsible, IMHO.
Maybe a society this scared and fearful could benefit from a few non-destructive surprises once in a while in order to help reset our hypersensitive freak-out meters.I kinda liked the idea of putting the turtle into a bag, but upon further consideration, what happens if another passenger sees the bag and the turtle is making some kind of movement, I could see someone freaking out and getting the conductor involved and all of them thinking it's like a snake or bomb or something and everything getting way out of whack. I think it would be better to follow the no pet policy.
In the advisory it includes contact with cages or where cages have been.I don't think anyone is recommending allowing contact between the turtle and others.The Centers for Disease Control has an advisory about pet turtles causing Salmonella infections: http://www.cdc.gov/h..._an_turtles.htm The advisory notes that susceptible individuals may acquire fatal infections.
In the advisory it includes contact with cages or where cages have been.
I'd say it's no less responsible than than the zero tolerance no exceptions policy that spawned it.Encouraging this individual to break the rules is irresponsible, IMHO.
Maybe a society this scared and fearful could benefit from a few non-destructive surprises once in a while in order to help reset our hypersensitive freak-out meters.I kinda liked the idea of putting the turtle into a bag, but upon further consideration, what happens if another passenger sees the bag and the turtle is making some kind of movement, I could see someone freaking out and getting the conductor involved and all of them thinking it's like a snake or bomb or something and everything getting way out of whack. I think it would be better to follow the no pet policy.
I disagree. We should not be encouraging anyone to violate the rules.Agreed.Put it in something that does not look like a cage, but just a bag of some kind that you can, if in coach, put under your feet or overhead rack, I would have at it. I would consider under your feet or on the seat beside you if it is unoccupied because you do no want somebody elst to throw a bag on top of it or scrunch it up. As said, in sleeper it will be really easy to get away with it and not worry about anything happening to the little critter, either.
Yes I am suggesting how somebody can get away with breaking a rule, but I see this as a "no harm, no foul" situation.
If you are not stupid, you can make this work and you will get to bring your turtle. I can safely say that I believe you that the turtle can't escape the cage
Go ahead and try it nbd IMO.
I agree with Penny and our guest. Another thing is that if you have a tendency to break rules, you might break other rules that will affect all people, on the train or somewhere else. As said, this turtle could affect some people, not all, but that's at least something.I don't think Amtrak's pet policy is unjustified.
Many people have moderate or very severe allergies to different animals, so limiting their transport in passenger compartments seems like a rule that's meant to keep most passengers comfortable, just like banning smoking onboard.
Larger pets, such as dogs, need to be exercised and taken outside to relieve themselves. Who would be in charge of cleaning up after them (or making sure their owners do) at extended station stops?
If dogs, cats and turtles are allowed, then where do you draw the line? Do you allow birds, snakes, skunks, bats, mice, paper-trained dogs with owners who will lay their papers in the aisle next to you?
I enjoy animals and volunteer, when I can, to take care of friends animals when they travel. I do not have my own pet because I like to travel frequently.
Taht is why we were given a brain. To reason out and decide whether or not blind obedience to a rule was the thing to do or the right thing in a situation was to bend or break a perticular rule. If you have someone with you in urgent need to get to a hospitial do you obey all the speed limits? I don't think so. I know that is an extreme example, but so be it.I agree with Penny and our guest. Another thing is that if you have a tendency to break rules, you might break other rules that will affect all people, on the train or somewhere else. As said, this turtle could affect some people, not all, but that's at least something.
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