In one of the 1976 tables there is a list of all the trains Amtrak had at that time. Thought you might like to reminisce and have a look.
MahaloIn one of the 1976 tables there is a list of all the trains Amtrak had at that time. Thought you might like to reminisce and have a look.
According to Wikipedia...I thought the national limited never actually ran?
The National Limited was the premier train of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad (B&O) on its route between New York City and St. Louis, Missouri with major station stops in Washington, D.C. and Cincinnati, Ohio. The all-Pullman version of the National Limited was introduced by the B&O on April 26, 1925 as Trains #1 (westbound) and #2 (eastbound).[1] The B&O had previously operated through cars between New York and western points as the "National Limited" since December, 1916.
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In 1967, the United States Post Office dealt a heavy blow to the B & O, cancelling most of its lucrative post office contracts. The train's route through West Virginia, southern Ohio and south-central Indiana and Illinois were, and continue to be, sparsely populated. Few cities or towns existed along the line that could contribute additional revenue or passengers to the train. Between Cincinnati and St. Louis, the B&O St. Louis line was single-tracked and it avoided most of the mid-west cities along the way. Branch lines ran to Louisville, Indianapolis, Springfield, IL, and other towns but the National Limited bypassed them all. This ultimately would seal the train's fate. The B&O's National Limited train had its final run on April 30, 1971, when B&O discontinued all long-haul passenger trains at the inception of Amtrak.
The "National Limited" name was subsequently used by Amtrak for a train from New York to Kansas City, Missouri, via Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Columbus, Ohio, Dayton, Ohio, Indianapolis, Indiana and St. Louis. This Amtrak train did not use the B&O route. It was cancelled on October 1, 1979.
Number: Was: Is:
1/2 Sunset Limited Sunset Limited
3/4 Southwest Limited Southwest Chief
5/6 San Francisco Zephyr California Zephyr
7/8 Empire Builder Empire Builder
9/10 North Coast Hiawatha (CHI-SEA) Deleted
11/14 Coast Starlight Coast Starlight
15/16 Lone Star (CHI-HOU) Deleted
19/20 Not Yet Extant Crescent (AMTK ran SC as 171/172)
21/22 Inter-American (STL-LAR) Texas Eagle
29 Not Yet Extant Capitol Limited (WB)
30 National Limited (EB) (STL-NYP) Capitol Limited (EB)
31 National Limited (WB) (NYP-STL) Deleted
40/41 Broadway Limited Deleted (after running as the Three Rivers)
42/43 Valley Forge (NYP-HAR) Pennsylvanian
44 Not Yet Extant Pennsylvanian (Sunday)
48/49 Lake Shore Limited Lake Shore Limited
50/51 James Whitcomb Riley (WAS-CHI) Cardinal
52/53 Not Yet Extant Auto-Train
54/55 Not Yet Extant Vermonter
56 Floridian (St. Pete-CHI) (NB) Vermonter
57 Floridian (CHI-St. Pete) (SB) Deleted
58/59 Panama Limited (CHI-NOL) City of New Orleans
60/61 Montrealer (MON-WAS) Deleted
63/64 Niagara Rainbow (NYP-DET) Maple Leaf
66/67 Night Owl "Regional"
68/69 Adirondack Adirondack
73/74 Water Level Express (NYP-BUF) Piedmont
79 Washington Irving (NYP-ALB) Carolinian (SB)
80 Not Yet Extant Carolinian (NB)
81/82 Silver Star (NYP-St.Pete) Not Used
83/84 Silver Meteor (NYP-St. Pete) Not Used
87/88 Champion (NYP-St. Pete) Deleted
89/90 Palmetto (NYP-SAV) Palmetto
91/92 Silver Star (NYP-MIA) Silver Star
93/94 Floridian (CHI-MIA) Deleted
97/98 Silver Meteor (NYP-MIA) Silver Meteor
Thanks! I was going to do just this at some point, and you saved me the effort :lol:What I find particularly interesting is the numbers/names of the LD trains. Howzabout a sequential review:
If you had a train with #13 many wouldn't ride it - unlucky, they think. Just as most hotels of height don't have a "13th" floor. They really do, it just isn't numbered 13.Thanks! I was going to do just this at some point, and you saved me the effort :lol:What I find particularly interesting is the numbers/names of the LD trains. Howzabout a sequential review:
This gives rise to a question I've had for a while: what's wrong with numbers 12 and 13? I'd assumed the Coast Starlight's 11/14 numbers were an artifact of renumbering, but apparently this odd situation goes back nearly 30 years. Does looking back further to 1971 explain this?
Why did they slide 30/31 to 29/30? Not precisely the same route, to be sure, but it seems odd that they did this.
Espee's Cascade from Portland to Oakland was number 11&12. It was combined with Espee's Coast Daylight (#98 & 99) when The Coast Starlight from Seattle to San Diego was created by Amtrak on May 1, 1971. #11 was kept as the SB number, but the nb # was changed to 14. The Sunset Limited also retained the original Espee numbers of 1&2. Very few trains retained the fomer railroad numbers.Based on my vague memory of what I've read, the Starlight was numbered 11/12 in one direction (probably Southbound), and 13/14 in the other. I don't know when this was changed to just 11/14.
.It had a through sleeper New York to Los Angeles, that was switched to what is now the Southwest Chief, which was still running with Santa Fe high levels The low level 10 and 6 sleeper was placed next to a transition car so that the rest of the train was accessibilet
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